• [SOLVED] Caught by the lightdm bug.

    From Doug Laidlaw@2:250/1 to All on Thu Sep 17 08:15:51 2020
    Yet again, I have just reinstalled Mageia 7 (full reinstall.) The bugs
    were accumulating. Somehow, after the reinstall, I finished up with two successive versions of dkms-nvidia installed, but that was easy to fix.

    The default DM for a fresh install of Mageia 7 or 8 is lightdm. My new system's graphics were so slow that the display was unusable. So, I went hunting. A post on "Ask Ubuntu" suggested that the problem was
    "probably a lightdm bug." Sure enough, switching to SDDM cured the
    problem. There were other suggestions. See

    https://www.askubuntu.com/questions/1230620/

    But that answer is dated 2014, and I have had no problem before today.
    I have my fingers crossed.

    Doug,
    The Born Loser.

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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Thu Sep 17 10:02:40 2020
    On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 17:15:51 +1000, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
    Yet again, I have just reinstalled Mageia 7 (full reinstall.)

    Hopefully a Clean install, not an upgrade.

    The bugs
    were accumulating. Somehow, after the reinstall, I finished up with two successive versions of dkms-nvidia installed, but that was easy to fix.

    Sounds like an install without updates, followed by installing updates.
    But, no information provided on actual methodology used during install.


    The default DM for a fresh install of Mageia 7 or 8 is lightdm. My new system's graphics were so slow that the display was unusable. So, I went hunting. A post on "Ask Ubuntu" suggested that the problem was
    "probably a lightdm bug." Sure enough, switching to SDDM cured the
    problem. There were other suggestions. See

    As usual, no real information provided for looking into the problem. :(

    Default DM depends on the media used for install, and/or user DM/DE selection.

    Was media used provided, [no]
    Was DE used proved, [no]

    Some facts. DM lightdm does not cause my neighbor or me problems.

    node video hardware
    ---- --------------
    wb4 NVIDIA Corporation GF119
    mtv Seymour [Radeon HD 6400M Series]
    wb Cedar [Radeon HD 5450 Series]
    tb RS780L [Radeon HD 3000]

    Hewlett Packard 19" LCD Monitor at 1280x1024x32
    Using Xfce DE with custom DPI setting calculated for monitor.

    Install Media: Clasic Mageia-7.1-x86_64.iso
    Install type: Clean
    Method: Media install, accept defaults during configuration,
    nic disconnected, reboot, install updates, reboot,

    Used Mageia-Cauldron-netinstall-nonfree-x86_64.iso for Mageia 8.
    Still no slow video problems fitting your description.

    Using teapot for Frames Per Second yielded ~60 FPS with Help screen enabled.

    Added "vblank_mode=0 glxsphere" to kernel boot line. Result snippet
    $ teapot
    Frame rate: 893.000000
    Frame rate: 889.000000
    Frame rate: 886.000000



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  • From William Unruh@2:250/1 to All on Thu Sep 17 17:27:28 2020
    What and where is teapot

    On 2020-09-17, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    ....

    Using teapot for Frames Per Second yielded ~60 FPS with Help screen enabled.

    Added "vblank_mode=0 glxsphere" to kernel boot line. Result snippet
    $ teapot
    Frame rate: 893.000000
    Frame rate: 889.000000
    Frame rate: 886.000000



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  • From William Unruh@2:250/1 to All on Thu Sep 17 17:39:43 2020
    On 2020-09-17, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
    What and where is teapot

    google was of no help but I finally found it using urpmf teapot|grep bin
    It is in mesa-demos.

    On 2020-09-17, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    ...

    Using teapot for Frames Per Second yielded ~60 FPS with Help screen enabled.

    Added "vblank_mode=0 glxsphere" to kernel boot line. Result snippet

    What do those kernel options do? And what can their side effects be?
    What is glxsphere?
    $ teapot
    Frame rate: 893.000000
    Frame rate: 889.000000
    Frame rate: 886.000000



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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Thu Sep 17 18:19:45 2020
    On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:39:43 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
    On 2020-09-17, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
    What and where is teapot

    google was of no help but I finally found it using urpmf teapot|grep bin
    It is in mesa-demos.

    On 2020-09-17, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    ...

    Using teapot for Frames Per Second yielded ~60 FPS with Help screen enabled.

    Added "vblank_mode=0 glxsphere" to kernel boot line. Result snippet

    What do those kernel options do?

    no idea.

    And what can their side effects be?

    Other than a message is the journal, none that I know of, that assumes
    "side effects" means an undesired result.

    What is glxsphere?

    A poor mouse click/drag, should have been glxspheres.

    $ grep glxsphere /etc/default/grub
    GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="ipv6.disable=1 audit=0 splash=off plymouth.enable=0 noresume mitigations=off vblank_mode=0 glxspheres "


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  • From William Unruh@2:250/1 to All on Thu Sep 17 21:30:45 2020
    On 2020-09-17, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:39:43 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
    On 2020-09-17, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
    What and where is teapot

    google was of no help but I finally found it using urpmf teapot|grep bin
    It is in mesa-demos.

    On 2020-09-17, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    ...

    Using teapot for Frames Per Second yielded ~60 FPS with Help screen enabled.

    Added "vblank_mode=0 glxsphere" to kernel boot line. Result snippet

    What do those kernel options do?

    no idea.

    And what can their side effects be?

    Other than a message is the journal, none that I know of, that assumes
    "side effects" means an undesired result.

    What is glxsphere?

    A poor mouse click/drag, should have been glxspheres.

    $ grep glxsphere /etc/default/grub
    GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="ipv6.disable=1 audit=0 splash=off plymouth.enable=0
    noresume mitigations=off vblank_mode=0 glxspheres "


    Strange. I found glxspheres and it is a program.like teapot except the
    picture does not change with framerate, whereas teapot goes faster and
    faster the hight the frame rate. Both print out the framerate

    You can also try out vblank_mode=0 by making it an environment variable
    export vblank_mode=0
    Doing that and running teaport, I get 1700 fps while it is 60
    (presumably the vertical blanking rate of the monitor) without that.
    The disadvantage may be tearing in the video apparently. I am still not
    clear why you would want to run glxspheres from the kernel.

    So you could also try putting
    export vblank_mode=0
    into your .bash_profile file
    Easier to do and remove than putting it into the kernel boot stanza


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  • From William Unruh@2:250/1 to All on Thu Sep 17 22:06:15 2020
    On 2020-09-17, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
    On 2020-09-17, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

    Strange. I found glxspheres and it is a program.like teapot except the picture does not change with framerate, whereas teapot goes faster and
    faster the hight the frame rate. Both print out the framerate

    Oops that was glxgears that I ran. glxspheres does alter the screen rate
    with the frame rate. I am still confused as to why one would want to run glxspheres from the kernel.


    You can also try out vblank_mode=0 by making it an environment variable export vblank_mode=0
    Doing that and running teaport, I get 1700 fps while it is 60
    (presumably the vertical blanking rate of the monitor) without that.
    The disadvantage may be tearing in the video apparently. I am still not
    clear why you would want to run glxspheres from the kernel.

    So you could also try putting
    export vblank_mode=0
    into your .bash_profile file
    Easier to do and remove than putting it into the kernel boot stanza


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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Thu Sep 17 22:32:58 2020
    On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 20:30:45 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
    On 2020-09-17, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

    $ grep glxsphere /etc/default/grub
    GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="ipv6.disable=1 audit=0 splash=off plymouth.enable=0 noresume mitigations=off vblank_mode=0 glxspheres "


    Strange. I found glxspheres and it is a program.like teapot except the picture does not change with framerate, whereas teapot goes faster and
    faster the hight the frame rate. Both print out the framerate

    You can also try out vblank_mode=0 by making it an environment variable export vblank_mode=0 So you could also try putting
    export vblank_mode=0 into your .bash_profile file

    Yeah, I know. I was trying to insure best frame rate during boot/video detection, not after login.

    Doing that and running teaport, I get 1700 fps while it is 60
    (presumably the vertical blanking rate of the monitor) without that.
    The disadvantage may be tearing in the video apparently.

    I have seen the warning, but never seen the disadvantage except that
    Xfce shows several screwed up wallpapers during start, but had see others
    with the same complaint. Not a real problem once Xfce completes startup.

    I am still not
    clear why you would want to run glxspheres from the kernel.

    Guess I had read the virtualgl rpm description (via rpmdrake) and saw
    someone else supplying it as an argument to kernel and was the interface.

    Thank you for your research and will remove the glxspheres from the
    kernel boot string.

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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Thu Sep 17 23:00:19 2020
    On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 21:06:15 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
    Oops that was glxgears that I ran.

    Yep, and it just provides a number as a reference, whereas teapot with Help, provides a more realistic number much closer to what real world usage would
    be using.

    I used glxgears as a reference between releases.

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  • From TJ@2:250/1 to All on Fri Sep 18 12:31:57 2020
    On 9/17/20 1:19 PM, Bit Twister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:39:43 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

    Added "vblank_mode=0 glxsphere" to kernel boot line. Result snippet

    What do those kernel options do?

    no idea.

    Fascinating. You surprise me, Bit. Applying a command/option when you
    have no idea what it does.

    Isn't that the kind of thing that usually gets newbies in trouble?

    TJ

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  • From TJ@2:250/1 to All on Fri Sep 18 12:54:48 2020
    On 9/17/20 3:15 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
    Yet again, I have just reinstalled Mageia 7 (full reinstall.)  The bugs were accumulating.  Somehow, after the reinstall, I finished up with two successive versions of dkms-nvidia installed, but that was easy to fix.

    The default DM for a fresh install of Mageia 7 or 8 is lightdm.  My new system's graphics were so slow that the display was unusable. So, I went hunting.  A post on "Ask Ubuntu" suggested that the problem was
    "probably a lightdm bug."  Sure enough, switching to SDDM cured the problem.  There were other suggestions. See

    https://www.askubuntu.com/questions/1230620/

    But that answer is dated 2014, and I have had no problem before today. I have my fingers crossed.

    Interesting. I install Plasma on most of my machines, and the default DM
    is always SDDM. XDM is there as well, but isn't the default. My Xfce
    installs use LightDM I believe, but I don't have one here to check.

    I have one set of hardware that messes the GUI login screen for SDDM.
    Mouse clicks and the keyboard for my Logitech wireless desk set become inoperable. Booting and logging in in text mode and then issuing the
    "startx" command gets me up and going, and switching to XDM avoids it altogether. So does activating auto-login.

    I've filed a bug, and so far it seems to be unique to my hardware
    combination. Both Mageia 7 and Cauldron are affected, though Cauldron be different now. Cauldron has developed so much that I'm not going to do anything with it until there are new isos to test.

    In the meantime, the workaround is easy enough, so I'm just living with it.

    TJ

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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Fri Sep 18 14:02:27 2020
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 07:31:57 -0400, TJ wrote:
    On 9/17/20 1:19 PM, Bit Twister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:39:43 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

    Added "vblank_mode=0 glxsphere" to kernel boot line. Result snippet

    What do those kernel options do?

    no idea.

    Fascinating. You surprise me, Bit. Applying a command/option when you
    have no idea what it does.

    Not necessary the same thing, knowing/doing. :)
    I do not need to know what it does/how if it works.

    Isn't that the kind of thing that usually gets newbies in trouble?

    Kinda true, but I used the grub command line editor to test first and
    found no problems. Options found while lurking in other groups, or just
    running across it during googling research.

    vblank_mode=0 was given in the mageia dev mail list years ago.

    Main newbie problem is when they do not know how to un-scramble their
    eggs that were scrambled when experimenting.

    Kernel command line options/arguments are a pain the run down. Args
    might be used by kernel, or just passed along to other programs.



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  • From William Unruh@2:250/1 to All on Fri Sep 18 15:39:15 2020
    On 2020-09-18, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 07:31:57 -0400, TJ wrote:
    On 9/17/20 1:19 PM, Bit Twister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:39:43 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

    Added "vblank_mode=0 glxsphere" to kernel boot line. Result snippet

    What do those kernel options do?

    no idea.

    Fascinating. You surprise me, Bit. Applying a command/option when you
    have no idea what it does.

    Not necessary the same thing, knowing/doing. :)
    I do not need to know what it does/how if it works.

    Isn't that the kind of thing that usually gets newbies in trouble?

    Kinda true, but I used the grub command line editor to test first and
    found no problems. Options found while lurking in other groups, or just running across it during googling research.

    vblank_mode=0 was given in the mageia dev mail list years ago.

    Main newbie problem is when they do not know how to un-scramble their
    eggs that were scrambled when experimenting.

    Kernel command line options/arguments are a pain the run down. Args
    might be used by kernel, or just passed along to other programs.


    I agree. In this case I searched throught the kernel source code, and
    found no mention of vblank_mode anywhere.
    Usually kenrel options are explained in the kernel documentation in the
    kernel source.
    Not finding any mention either in the kernel docs nor in the kernel
    source code made me wonder what putting that option into the kernel
    command line did. And it was especially puzzling that some user program, glxspheres, would be in the kernel command line, and what that would do.

    Or does the kernel simply ignore commands it does not understand?




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  • From David W. Hodgins@2:250/1 to All on Fri Sep 18 15:01:14 2020
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 09:02:27 -0400, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    vblank_mode=0 was given in the mageia dev mail list years ago.

    The option vblank_mode is not a kernel option. It's a mesa option.

    A description of it's impact on mesa is available at https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/4ua5tk/vblank_mode_setting/

    I set environment variables I want to be system wide in /etc/rc.d/rc.local

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Fri Sep 18 16:04:24 2020
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:01:14 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 09:02:27 -0400, Bit Twister
    <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    vblank_mode=0 was given in the mageia dev mail list years ago.

    The option vblank_mode is not a kernel option. It's a mesa option.


    And I just figured out that it is mandatory for the variable to be
    set in the user run time environment. It did no good to set it on the
    kernel command line.

    A description of it's impact on mesa is available at https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/4ua5tk/vblank_mode_setting/

    I set environment variables I want to be system wide in /etc/rc.d/rc.local

    I would not have expected variables set in any of those files to show up
    in user space.

    Global file/locations for that are /etc/login.defs, /etc/environment, /etc/profile, /etc/profile.d/, /etc/bashrc /etc/bash.bashrc.
    for a mageia install.

    I am ignoring DM/DE startup files for this point in the conversation.



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  • From David W. Hodgins@2:250/1 to All on Fri Sep 18 16:06:26 2020
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:39:15 -0400, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
    Or does the kernel simply ignore commands it does not understand?

    It does ignore kernel command line options it does not understand which is why systemd is able to use it to for options such as systemd.unit=runlevel3.target and dracut is able to use options such as plymouth.enable=0 to disable the boot
    splash.

    See the section "KERNEL COMMAND LINE" in "man systemd for the options systemd will interpret and "man dracut.cmdline" for the options dracut will process.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  • From David W. Hodgins@2:250/1 to All on Fri Sep 18 16:27:48 2020
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 11:04:24 -0400, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:01:14 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote:
    I set environment variables I want to be system wide in /etc/rc.d/rc.local

    I would not have expected variables set in any of those files to show up
    in user space.

    You're right. I messed up. :-)

    Global file/locations for that are /etc/login.defs, /etc/environment, /etc/profile, /etc/profile.d/, /etc/bashrc /etc/bash.bashrc.
    for a mageia install.
    I am ignoring DM/DE startup files for this point in the conversation.

    Yes, /etc/profile.d/someusercreatedfile is the proper place to set them.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  • From Gilberto F da Silva@2:250/1 to All on Sun Dec 13 23:27:15 2020
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  • From David W. Hodgins@2:250/1 to All on Mon Dec 14 00:22:53 2020
    On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 18:27:15 -0500, Gilberto F da Silva <2458099@gmail.com> wrote:
    The Mageia 8 alpha 2 torrent is not working.

    I'm one of the people seeding Mageia 8 beta 2 (Note, beta, not alpha), and it's
    being downloaded (18GB from my system in last 22 hours).

    Which torrent file are you using, and with which torrent program?

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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