I am trying to install Mageia 7.1 onto an Asus laptop using the Mageia
Live precedure (ie clicking on Install after booting up Mageia Live). I
shrunk the Windows C drive to 80GB (out of 500) using the Windows 10
file management. On installation I allocated two 30GB partitions (one to
/ and the othr to /spare in order to have room to do a separate install
and on 300GB as /local.
when it comes time to upgrade to Mga9 or something). The installation
seemed to go fine, but when everything was installed there was not
Mageia entry in the bios boot list (Just Windows and two partitions from
the usb drive). The second problem was that the /spare and /local had be relabeled as /var and /home. The third problem was that the wireless did
not work.-- no listing in Metwork Manager for any wired or wireless (the
usb dongle for the wired was not plugged in that was not a surprize).
The wireless is Intel Cannon Point-LP CMVi.

Any clues as to how I can get this all to work properly? I guess I can
erase the /spare and /local partition and put everything on install into
/, and then create them later (I use /local to hold /home, /usr/local so
when I upgrade I do not have to worry about them be changed by the
installation or updating facility)

a) Why is wireless not working? Would it work if I used the Install
medium, rather than the Live? Of does the Live not include the
iwlwifi-firmware which is in nonfree?

b) Why would the installer on the Live rename partitions I had named?

c)Why was grub2 not installed? (One of the windows partitins is the EFI partition, which I would assume Mageia also uses to put in the grub UEFI boot image)



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On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 23:02:12 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

Since I have no experience with Live installs, take all my comments
with a grain of salt.

Any clues as to how I can get this all to work properly? I guess I can
erase the /spare and /local partition and put everything on install into
/, and then create them later (I use /local to hold /home, /usr/local so
when I upgrade I do not have to worry about them be changed by the installation or updating facility)

If you are wanting pre-allocated partitions, then I suggest you need
to format/label as desired prior to install.

During install, you have to pick custom partitioning. That allows you
to pick which partition is to be "/".

a) Why is wireless not working? Would it work if I used the Install
medium, rather than the Live? Of does the Live not include the iwlwifi-firmware which is in nonfree?

Easy enough to check. You would look in /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg
to see if exists and enabled.

b) Why would the installer on the Live rename partitions I had named?

My best guess, would be use existing partitions.

c)Why was grub2 not installed? (One of the windows partitins is the EFI partition, which I would assume Mageia also uses to put in the grub UEFI

boot

image)

Can we assume you turned off Secure Boot in the bios?


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On 2020-06-19, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 23:02:12 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

Since I have no experience with Live installs, take all my comments
with a grain of salt.

Any clues as to how I can get this all to work properly? I guess I can
erase the /spare and /local partition and put everything on install into
/, and then create them later (I use /local to hold /home, /usr/local so
when I upgrade I do not have to worry about them be changed by the
installation or updating facility)

If you are wanting pre-allocated partitions, then I suggest you need
to format/label as desired prior to install.

During install, you have to pick custom partitioning. That allows you
to pick which partition is to be "/".

I did. I had 380GB free space that I had freed up from Windows. I made 2 partions, in custom partitioning, of 30GB each, one labeled / one
/spare, one 8GB partition for swap and one 300 GB of /local.
I installed and then looked at the partitions, and they were now labeled
as /var and /home instead of /spare and /local.

a) Why is wireless not working? Would it work if I used the Install
medium, rather than the Live? Of does the Live not include the
iwlwifi-firmware which is in nonfree?

Easy enough to check. You would look in /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg
to see if exists and enabled.

draknet network-center shows nothing-- no ethernet and no wireless.
ifconfig shows lo but no wireless.

b) Why would the installer on the Live rename partitions I had named?

My best guess, would be use existing partitions.

Nope. As I mentioned, I partitioned the free space during the install.

c)Why was grub2 not installed? (One of the windows partitins is the EFI
partition, which I would assume Mageia also uses to put in the grub UEFI boot
image)

Can we assume you turned off Secure Boot in the bios?

Yes, I did.


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On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 04:32:01 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

On 2020-06-19, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

During install, you have to pick custom partitioning. That allows you
to pick which partition is to be "/".

I did. I had 380GB free space that I had freed up from Windows. I made 2 partions, in custom partitioning, of 30GB each, one labeled / one
/spare, one 8GB partition for swap and one 300 GB of /local.
I installed and then looked at the partitions, and they were now labeled
as /var and /home instead of /spare and /local.

Sorry, I should have been a bit more explicit in my reply.

I do not use the installer partitioning tool for partitioning creation, formatting, labeling.

What I was suggesting was that you use a partitioning tool, say, gparted
to format/label your partitions, then boot the install media.

You then pick custom partitioning. At that point, I usually click to
toggle into expert mode, and I pick each partition and set mount point.

Since I like label instead of uuid in /etc/fstab, I click each partition,
click label, cut label, click mount point, paste label as mount point.

I click the root partition last, still cut label, select mount point
and leave it as /.

When done/reboot, I have a fstab with
LABEL=mga7 / ext4 relatime,acl 1 1
LABEL=accounts /accounts ext4 relatime,acl 1 2
LABEL=local /local ext4 relatime,acl 1 2
LABEL=misc /misc ext4 relatime,acl 1 2
LABEL=spare /spare ext4 relatime,acl 1 2

Whereupon my fstab_changes script builds all mount points for all partitions, adds them and nfs entries to fstab.

$ wc -l < /etc/fstab
31


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On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 04:32:01 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

On 2020-06-19, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 23:02:12 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

I hate to comment on Bittwister, but it might help.

Since I have no experience with Live installs, take all my comments
with a grain of salt.

Any clues as to how I can get this all to work properly? I guess I can
erase the /spare and /local partition and put everything on install
into /, and then create them later (I use /local to hold /home,
/usr/local so when I upgrade I do not have to worry about them be
changed by the installation or updating facility)

If you are wanting pre-allocated partitions, then I suggest you need to
format/label as desired prior to install.

During install, you have to pick custom partitioning. That allows you
to pick which partition is to be "/".

Linux cann't do anything with partitions /local and /spare as partitions
for installation. I would use the custom partitioning of Mageia's
installation to define the partitions you want.
However, if you define / , /local and /spare, you might know that the installation will not touch the last two.

I did. I had 380GB free space that I had freed up from Windows. I made 2 partions, in custom partitioning, of 30GB each, one labeled / one
/spare, one 8GB partition for swap and one 300 GB of /local.
I installed and then looked at the partitions, and they were now labeled
as /var and /home instead of /spare and /local.

a) Why is wireless not working? Would it work if I used the Install
medium, rather than the Live? Of does the Live not include the
iwlwifi-firmware which is in nonfree?

If the wifi dongle is not plugged in at installation, you cann't expect
that the installation would be correct and complete for wifi.
But.... certain types of wifi (as the Intel 3610 I have) are not
supported at installation time. But complete the installation, reboot and
use MCC - Network and Internet - new interface, and it gets OK.

Easy enough to check. You would look in /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg to see if
exists and enabled.

draknet network-center shows nothing-- no ethernet and no wireless.
ifconfig shows lo but no wireless.

b) Why would the installer on the Live rename partitions I had named?

My best guess, would be use existing partitions.

Nope. As I mentioned, I partitioned the free space during the install.

c)Why was grub2 not installed? (One of the windows partitins is the
EFI partition, which I would assume Mageia also uses to put in the
grub UEFI boot image)

Can we assume you turned off Secure Boot in the bios?

Yes, I did.

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On 2020-06-19, Herman <herman@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 04:32:01 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

On 2020-06-19, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 23:02:12 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

I hate to comment on Bittwister, but it might help.

Since I have no experience with Live installs, take all my comments
with a grain of salt.

Any clues as to how I can get this all to work properly? I guess I can >>>> erase the /spare and /local partition and put everything on install
into /, and then create them later (I use /local to hold /home,
/usr/local so when I upgrade I do not have to worry about them be
changed by the installation or updating facility)

If you are wanting pre-allocated partitions, then I suggest you need to
format/label as desired prior to install.

During install, you have to pick custom partitioning. That allows you
to pick which partition is to be "/".

Linux cann't do anything with partitions /local and /spare as partitions
for installation. I would use the custom partitioning of Mageia's installation to define the partitions you want.
However, if you define / , /local and /spare, you might know that the installation will not touch the last two.

Agreed, I do not expect it to do anything with /local and /spare. Just
make sure they are in /etc/fstab. The problem with renaming them is that
the installer DOES do something with /home and /var and I do not want it
to. I have never before had the installer rename partitions that I
labeled myself, including the one time I installed from a Live iso, so
this was completely weird to me. I can always get around it by erasing
both partitions, installing and then repartitioning the blank space on
the disk.

I did. I had 380GB free space that I had freed up from Windows. I made 2
partions, in custom partitioning, of 30GB each, one labeled / one
/spare, one 8GB partition for swap and one 300 GB of /local.
I installed and then looked at the partitions, and they were now labeled
as /var and /home instead of /spare and /local.

a) Why is wireless not working? Would it work if I used the Install
medium, rather than the Live? Of does the Live not include the
iwlwifi-firmware which is in nonfree?

If the wifi dongle is not plugged in at installation, you cann't expect
that the installation would be correct and complete for wifi.
But.... certain types of wifi (as the Intel 3610 I have) are not
supported at installation time. But complete the installation, reboot and use MCC - Network and Internet - new interface, and it gets OK.

The wifi is part of the machine, not a dongle. The dongle referred to
the wired ethernet stuff. The machine has no ethernet plugin and is
handled by a usb attached ethernet port, which is irrelevant since there
is no place to plug in the other end of an ethernet cable anyway.

I suspect that the Live version does not have the nonfree
iwlwifi-firmware stuff in it which is leading to troubles with the intel wireless.

Easy enough to check. You would look in /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg to see if
exists and enabled.

draknet network-center shows nothing-- no ethernet and no wireless.
ifconfig shows lo but no wireless.

b) Why would the installer on the Live rename partitions I had named?

My best guess, would be use existing partitions.

Nope. As I mentioned, I partitioned the free space during the install.

c)Why was grub2 not installed? (One of the windows partitins is the
EFI partition, which I would assume Mageia also uses to put in the
grub UEFI boot image)

Can we assume you turned off Secure Boot in the bios?

Yes, I did.

I assume that Mageia uses the Microsoft EFI partition to put its boot
stuff for UEFI.



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On 6/18/20 4:02 PM, William Unruh wrote:

I am trying to install Mageia 7.1 onto an Asus laptop using the Mageia
Live precedure (ie clicking on Install after booting up Mageia Live). I shrunk the Windows C drive to 80GB (out of 500) using the Windows 10
file management. On installation I allocated two 30GB partitions (one to
/ and the othr to /spare in order to have room to do a separate install
and on 300GB as /local.

Use the Installer version. More to download I know, but will
be worth it.

when it comes time to upgrade to Mga9 or something). The installation
seemed to go fine, but when everything was installed there was not
Mageia entry in the bios boot list (Just Windows and two partitions from
the usb drive). The second problem was that the /spare and /local had be relabeled as /var and /home. The third problem was that the wireless did
not work.-- no listing in Metwork Manager for any wired or wireless (the
usb dongle for the wired was not plugged in that was not a surprize).
The wireless is Intel Cannon Point-LP CMVi.

I have always found Mageia live to be poor installers.

Any clues as to how I can get this all to work properly? I guess I can
erase the /spare and /local partition and put everything on install into
/, and then create them later (I use /local to hold /home, /usr/local so
when I upgrade I do not have to worry about them be changed by the installation or updating facility)

Bad practice to put /home inside another partition.
Better is to create / usr/ swap /home

Here is my current non-dual boot partitioning

/dev/root 5.6G 3.9G 1.4G 74% /
/dev/sda2 1020M 89M 861M 10% /boot
/dev/sda1 299M 12M 287M 4% /boot/EFI
/dev/sda7 263G 121G 143G 46% /home
/dev/sda4 34G 8.2G 24G 26% /usr
/dev/sda6 11G 438M 9.9G 5% /var
/dev/sda8 127G 60M 120G 1% /media/dat

a) Why is wireless not working? Would it work if I used the Install
medium, rather than the Live? Of does the Live not include the iwlwifi-firmware which is in nonfree?

What is your WiFi chip? Use the Live with MCC to figure that
out. Then check with Mageia to see if that chip is supported or if you
will have to use a wrapper with the Windows driver.

b) Why would the installer on the Live rename partitions I had named?

Well I do not know. Are you sure that you chose and formatted
those partitions?

c)Why was grub2 not installed? (One of the windows partitions is the EFI partition, which I would assume Mageia also uses to put in the grub UEFI

boot

image)

With a dual boot Windows system have you turned off Fast Boot?
As I say, in the distant past I found that installing from Live Mageia was not optimal.

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On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 10:50:47 -0400, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

Agreed, I do not expect it to do anything with /local and /spare. Just
make sure they are in /etc/fstab. The problem with renaming them is that
the installer DOES do something with /home and /var and I do not want it
to. I have never before had the installer rename partitions that I
labeled myself, including the one time I installed from a Live iso, so
this was completely weird to me. I can always get around it by erasing
both partitions, installing and then repartitioning the blank space on
the disk.

The only thing I can think of that might lead to this, would be if the names (aka labels) of the partitions were set, rather then the mount points.

a) Why is wireless not working? Would it work if I used the Install
medium, rather than the Live? Of does the Live not include the
iwlwifi-firmware which is in nonfree?

$ grep iwlwifi Mageia-7.1-Live-*/*.lst Mageia-7.1-Live-GNOME-x86_64/Mageia-7.1-Live-GNOME-x86_64.lst:iwlwifi-3945-ucod e-15.32.2.9-9.mga7.nonfree Mageia-7.1-Live-GNOME-x86_64/Mageia-7.1-Live-GNOME-x86_64.lst:iwlwifi-4965-ucod e-228.61.2.24-11.mga7.nonfree Mageia-7.1-Live-GNOME-x86_64/Mageia-7.1-Live-GNOME-x86_64.lst:iwlwifi-firmware- 20190709-1.mga7.nonfree Mageia-7.1-Live-Plasma-x86_64/Mageia-7.1-Live-Plasma-x86_64.lst:iwlwifi-3945-uc ode-15.32.2.9-9.mga7.nonfree Mageia-7.1-Live-Plasma-x86_64/Mageia-7.1-Live-Plasma-x86_64.lst:iwlwifi-4965-uc ode-228.61.2.24-11.mga7.nonfree Mageia-7.1-Live-Plasma-x86_64/Mageia-7.1-Live-Plasma-x86_64.lst:iwlwifi-firmwar e-20190709-1.mga7.nonfree Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-i586/Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-i586.lst:iwlwifi-3945-ucode-15.3 2.2.9-9.mga7.nonfree Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-i586/Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-i586.lst:iwlwifi-4965-ucode-228. 61.2.24-11.mga7.nonfree Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-i586/Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-i586.lst:iwlwifi-firmware-201907 09-1.mga7.nonfree Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-x86_64/Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-x86_64.lst:iwlwifi-3945-ucode- 15.32.2.9-9.mga7.nonfree Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-x86_64/Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-x86_64.lst:iwlwifi-4965-ucode- 228.61.2.24-11.mga7.nonfree Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-x86_64/Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-x86_64.lst:iwlwifi-firmware-20 190709-1.mga7.nonfree

Does that laptop have a key combination that can turn the wifi on/off? That's the only thing I can think of for that.

Easy enough to check. You would look in /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg to see if >>>> exists and enabled.

draknet network-center shows nothing-- no ethernet and no wireless.
ifconfig shows lo but no wireless.

If ifconfig isn't seeing it, there is no way the installer can see it. It's most
likely turned off in the laptop, either by a key combination or a physical switch.

c)Why was grub2 not installed? (One of the windows partitins is the
EFI partition, which I would assume Mageia also uses to put in the
grub UEFI boot image)

I assume that Mageia uses the Microsoft EFI partition to put its boot
stuff for UEFI.

Most likely the usb stick used to install Mageia was booted in bios firmware mode
(bios legacy), so it would install grub2 rather then grub2-efi, while after installing the system is trying to boot into efi firmware mode, which doesn't use
the grub that has been installed into the mbr or bios boot partition.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 23:02:12 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

I am trying to install Mageia 7.1 onto an Asus laptop using the Mageia
Live precedure (ie clicking on Install after booting up Mageia Live). I shrunk the Windows C drive to 80GB (out of 500) using the Windows 10
file management. On installation I allocated two 30GB partitions (one to
/ and the othr to /spare in order to have room to do a separate install
and on 300GB as /local.
when it comes time to upgrade to Mga9 or something). The installation
seemed to go fine, but when everything was installed there was not
Mageia entry in the bios boot list (Just Windows and two partitions from
the usb drive). The second problem was that the /spare and /local had be relabeled as /var and /home. T

What is the name of Mageia 7.1 iso used in this install?
[ ] Mageia-7.1-Live-GNOME-x86_64
[ ] Mageia-7.1-Live-Plasma-x86_64
[ ] Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-x86_64
[ ] Mageia-7.1-x86_64

[ ] Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-i586
[ ] Mageia-7.1-i586

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OK, solved most of the problems. I decided, instead of keeping the Live install, to install from the Instal iso instead. That also had the
problem the first time (In which I just used the install iso to install
over the Live installation) of changing the names of /spare and /local to
/var and /home. The second time (I reformated the / partition to get
rid of the Live installation completely), the names /spare and /local stuck. And I was able to also to boot into Mageia (the first time it again
crashed during the bootup). The Live install process is really, on my exprience, a complete piece of crap. But the install .iso worked. But after the boot the wireless still did not work. I had read somewhere that the kernel-freeware 20190712 was defective and broke the Cannon Point
wireless.
So, I first downloaded the old kernel-freeware-20190603 (using the dual
boot Windows and onto a usb stick and then booting into Mageia
installing the firmware and then rebooting mageia) and rebooted and
still no happiness. So I downloaded the iwlwireless-firmware-20180603
installed it on Mageia and now suddenly the wireless worked.

I have no idea why the install iso I downloaded from one of the mirrors
had the newer broken firmware files on them.

So after 8 hours today of work ( and about 5 yesterday) It finally
worked and all of the problems I was concerned about were solved. Now to
update the system, and bring in the backups from the old computer that
climbed out the window and went for a bath.



On 2020-06-19, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 10:50:47 -0400, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

Agreed, I do not expect it to do anything with /local and /spare. Just
make sure they are in /etc/fstab. The problem with renaming them is that
the installer DOES do something with /home and /var and I do not want it
to. I have never before had the installer rename partitions that I
labeled myself, including the one time I installed from a Live iso, so
this was completely weird to me. I can always get around it by erasing
both partitions, installing and then repartitioning the blank space on
the disk.

The only thing I can think of that might lead to this, would be if the names (aka labels) of the partitions were set, rather then the mount points.

a) Why is wireless not working? Would it work if I used the Install >>>>>> medium, rather than the Live? Of does the Live not include the
iwlwifi-firmware which is in nonfree?

$ grep iwlwifi Mageia-7.1-Live-*/*.lst

Mageia-7.1-Live-GNOME-x86_64/Mageia-7.1-Live-GNOME-x86_64.lst:iwlwifi-3945-ucod e-15.32.2.9-9.mga7.nonfree

Mageia-7.1-Live-GNOME-x86_64/Mageia-7.1-Live-GNOME-x86_64.lst:iwlwifi-4965-ucod e-228.61.2.24-11.mga7.nonfree

Mageia-7.1-Live-GNOME-x86_64/Mageia-7.1-Live-GNOME-x86_64.lst:iwlwifi-firmware- 20190709-1.mga7.nonfree

Mageia-7.1-Live-Plasma-x86_64/Mageia-7.1-Live-Plasma-x86_64.lst:iwlwifi-3945-uc ode-15.32.2.9-9.mga7.nonfree

Mageia-7.1-Live-Plasma-x86_64/Mageia-7.1-Live-Plasma-x86_64.lst:iwlwifi-4965-uc ode-228.61.2.24-11.mga7.nonfree

Mageia-7.1-Live-Plasma-x86_64/Mageia-7.1-Live-Plasma-x86_64.lst:iwlwifi-firmwar e-20190709-1.mga7.nonfree

Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-i586/Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-i586.lst:iwlwifi-3945-ucode-15.3 2.2.9-9.mga7.nonfree

Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-i586/Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-i586.lst:iwlwifi-4965-ucode-228. 61.2.24-11.mga7.nonfree

Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-i586/Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-i586.lst:iwlwifi-firmware-201907 09-1.mga7.nonfree

Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-x86_64/Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-x86_64.lst:iwlwifi-3945-ucode- 15.32.2.9-9.mga7.nonfree

Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-x86_64/Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-x86_64.lst:iwlwifi-4965-ucode- 228.61.2.24-11.mga7.nonfree

Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-x86_64/Mageia-7.1-Live-Xfce-x86_64.lst:iwlwifi-firmware-20 190709-1.mga7.nonfree

Does that laptop have a key combination that can turn the wifi on/off?

That's

the only thing I can think of for that.

Easy enough to check. You would look in /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg to see if >>>>> exists and enabled.

draknet network-center shows nothing-- no ethernet and no wireless.
ifconfig shows lo but no wireless.

If ifconfig isn't seeing it, there is no way the installer can see it. It's

most

likely turned off in the laptop, either by a key combination or a physical

switch.

c)Why was grub2 not installed? (One of the windows partitins is the >>>>>> EFI partition, which I would assume Mageia also uses to put in the >>>>>> grub UEFI boot image)

I assume that Mageia uses the Microsoft EFI partition to put its boot
stuff for UEFI.

Most likely the usb stick used to install Mageia was booted in bios firmware

mode

(bios legacy), so it would install grub2 rather then grub2-efi, while after installing the system is trying to boot into efi firmware mode, which

doesn't use

the grub that has been installed into the mbr or bios boot partition.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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