• Cauldron - How can I change the localization after installation?

    From Gilberto F da Silva@2:250/0 to All on Tue Mar 17 00:36:06 2020
    Reply-To: 2458099@gmail.com

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    Hello!


    I always installed Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia in
    Esperanto. At Cauldron there was no longer that option. I
    installed it in Portuguese but I can't change the
    language.


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  • From David W. Hodgins@2:250/0 to All on Tue Mar 17 02:47:53 2020
    On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 20:36:06 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva <2458099@smtp.gmail.com> wrote:
    I always installed Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia in
    Esperanto. At Cauldron there was no longer that option. I
    installed it in Portuguese but I can't change the
    language.

    I've never tried it, but I think it's just a matter of installing the
    desired locales-$lang, setting the values in /etc/locale.conf, and then updating the initrd with "mkinitrd -f".

    That should be handled by mcc/Manage localization for your system, but I'm
    not sure if it will show languages that don't have the locales-$lang package installed, or update the initrd.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  • From Gilberto F da Silva@2:250/1 to All on Tue Mar 17 22:46:15 2020
    David W. Hodgins wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 20:36:06 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva <2458099@smtp.gmail.com> wrote:
             I always installed Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia in
             Esperanto. At Cauldron there was no longer that option. I >>          installed it in Portuguese but I can't change the
             language.

    I've never tried it, but I think it's just a matter of installing the
    desired locales-$lang, setting the values in /etc/locale.conf, and then updating the initrd with "mkinitrd -f".

    That should be handled by mcc/Manage localization for your system, but I'm not sure if it will show languages that don't have the locales-$lang
    package
    installed, or update the initrd.

    I tried your suggestion. The system started reporting errors.

    Unfortunately the newsgroup settings do not allow me to send a photo.

    What's happening with Mageia? It was an easy-to-install distribution but
    it's getting more and more difficult.

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  • From David W. Hodgins@2:250/1 to All on Wed Mar 18 04:20:51 2020
    On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 18:46:15 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:

    David W. Hodgins wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 20:36:06 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
    <2458099@smtp.gmail.com> wrote:
    I always installed Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia in
    Esperanto. At Cauldron there was no longer that option. I
    installed it in Portuguese but I can't change the
    language.

    I've never tried it, but I think it's just a matter of installing the
    desired locales-$lang, setting the values in /etc/locale.conf, and then
    updating the initrd with "mkinitrd -f".

    That should be handled by mcc/Manage localization for your system, but I'm >> not sure if it will show languages that don't have the locales-$lang
    package
    installed, or update the initrd.

    I tried your suggestion. The system started reporting errors.

    Unfortunately the newsgroup settings do not allow me to send a photo.

    What's happening with Mageia? It was an easy-to-install distribution but
    it's getting more and more difficult.

    Without knowing what errors, I can't help further.

    Cauldron is meant for use only by advanced users. It isn't even ready for beta testing at this point in time.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  • From Gilberto F da Silva@2:250/1 to All on Wed Mar 18 12:55:06 2020
    Reply-To: 2458099@gmail.com

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    On 2020-03-18, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 18:46:15 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva <gfs1989@gmx.net>
    wrote:

    David W. Hodgins wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 20:36:06 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
    <2458099@smtp.gmail.com> wrote:
    I always installed Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia in
    Esperanto. At Cauldron there was no longer that option. I
    installed it in Portuguese but I can't change the
    language.

    I've never tried it, but I think it's just a matter of installing the
    desired locales-$lang, setting the values in /etc/locale.conf, and then
    updating the initrd with "mkinitrd -f".

    That should be handled by mcc/Manage localization for your system, but I'm >>> not sure if it will show languages that don't have the locales-$lang
    package
    installed, or update the initrd.

    I tried your suggestion. The system started reporting errors.

    Unfortunately the newsgroup settings do not allow me to send a photo.

    What's happening with Mageia? It was an easy-to-install distribution but
    it's getting more and more difficult.

    Without knowing what errors, I can't help further.

    You are right. Here are the error messages:

    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_TYPE: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8) no such file or directory
    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_COLLATE: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8) no such file or directory
    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_MESSAGES: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8) no such file or directory
    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_NUMERIC: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8) no such file or directory
    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_TIME: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8) no such file or directory


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  • From Jim Beard@2:250/1 to All on Wed Mar 18 13:46:58 2020
    On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 12:55:06 +0000, Gilberto F da Silva wrote:

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    On 2020-03-18, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 18:46:15 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
    <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:

    David W. Hodgins wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 20:36:06 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
    <2458099@smtp.gmail.com> wrote:
    I always installed Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia in Esperanto.
    At Cauldron there was no longer that option. I installed it >>>>> in Portuguese but I can't change the language.

    I've never tried it, but I think it's just a matter of installing the
    desired locales-$lang, setting the values in /etc/locale.conf, and
    then updating the initrd with "mkinitrd -f".

    That should be handled by mcc/Manage localization for your system,
    but I'm not sure if it will show languages that don't have the
    locales-$lang package installed, or update the initrd.

    I tried your suggestion. The system started reporting errors.

    Unfortunately the newsgroup settings do not allow me to send a photo.

    What's happening with Mageia? It was an easy-to-install distribution
    but it's getting more and more difficult.

    Without knowing what errors, I can't help further.

    You are right. Here are the error messages:

    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_TYPE: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8) no
    such file or directory - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_COLLATE: cannot
    change locale (eo.UTF-8) no such file or directory - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_MESSAGES: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8) no such file or directory - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_NUMERIC: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8) no such file or directory - -bash: warning: setlocale:
    LC_TIME: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8) no such file or directory

    First, in a terminal window,
    rpm -qa |grep locales-eo

    If you do not get an rpm name starting locales-eo- the Esperanto files
    you need are not installed.

    As root,
    urpmi locales-eo
    or go into Mageia Control Center mcc and install locales-eo using the
    install software function.

    Cheers!

    jim b.







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  • From Gilberto F da Silva@2:250/1 to All on Wed Mar 18 14:37:37 2020
    Subject: [SOLVED] Cauldron - How can I change the localization after
    installation?
    Reply-To: 2458099@gmail.com

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    On 2020-03-18, Jim Beard <jim.beard@verizon.net> wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 12:55:06 +0000, Gilberto F da Silva wrote:

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    On 2020-03-18, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 18:46:15 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
    <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:

    David W. Hodgins wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 20:36:06 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
    <2458099@smtp.gmail.com> wrote:
    I always installed Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia in Esperanto. >>>>>> At Cauldron there was no longer that option. I installed it >>>>>> in Portuguese but I can't change the language.

    I've never tried it, but I think it's just a matter of installing the >>>>> desired locales-$lang, setting the values in /etc/locale.conf, and
    then updating the initrd with "mkinitrd -f".

    That should be handled by mcc/Manage localization for your system,
    but I'm not sure if it will show languages that don't have the
    locales-$lang package installed, or update the initrd.

    I tried your suggestion. The system started reporting errors.

    Unfortunately the newsgroup settings do not allow me to send a photo.

    What's happening with Mageia? It was an easy-to-install distribution
    but it's getting more and more difficult.

    Without knowing what errors, I can't help further.

    You are right. Here are the error messages:

    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_TYPE: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8) no
    such file or directory - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_COLLATE: cannot
    change locale (eo.UTF-8) no such file or directory - -bash: warning:
    setlocale: LC_MESSAGES: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8) no such file or
    directory - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_NUMERIC: cannot change locale
    (eo.UTF-8) no such file or directory - -bash: warning: setlocale:
    LC_TIME: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8) no such file or directory

    First, in a terminal window,
    rpm -qa |grep locales-eo

    If you do not get an rpm name starting locales-eo- the Esperanto files
    you need are not installed.

    As root,
    urpmi locales-eo
    or go into Mageia Control Center mcc and install locales-eo using the install software function.

    Cheers!

    jim b.









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  • From David W. Hodgins@2:250/1 to All on Wed Mar 18 15:21:20 2020
    On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 08:55:06 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva <2458099@smtp.gmail.com> wrote:

    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_TYPE: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8) no
    such file or directory
    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_COLLATE: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8) no
    such file or directory
    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_MESSAGES: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8) no
    such file or directory
    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_NUMERIC: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8) no
    such file or directory
    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_TIME: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8) no
    such file or directory

    Those warning can/should be ignored. They occur because the Esperanto language has
    very limited support, and does not include UTF-8 character definitions, likely because it doesn't need them as it mostly uses the Latin character set. I know they are annoying due to how often bash will show them.

    I've confirmed mcc/System/Manager localization only shows installed languages for
    selection, but even with locales-eo installed, mcc does not offer Esperanto for
    the System language in either Mageia 7 or Cauldron on my system, likely because
    I am currently using en_CA.UTF-8, so it's only showing locales with UTF8 support.

    However, as the lack of UTF-8 support for Esperanto does not appear to be new, don't see how those warnings would not have been seen during prior installations,
    as those parts of the installer do not appear to have changed.

    Are you sure prior installs were not done in another language such as English, with Esperanto installed as an additional language?

    I've never heard of this problem before, so I suspect few if any have been doing
    Esperanto installs, and anyone who has been doing Esperanto only installs have been ignoring the messages.

    You can see the list of available locales packages with "urpmq -ya locales-" or
    install all of them with "urpmi -ya locales-". Then mcc can be used to select another language, though Esperanto will not be one of them if UTF8 support
    is enabled, as is the default.

    Testing a network install, I have to select the multiple languages screen in order to have the option to select "Old compatibility (non-UTF8) encoding". I've then selected Esperanto as the only language.

    If it is fixed, I expect it will be done by removing Esperanto as an option during installation, since it has such limited support.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  • From Gilberto F da Silva@2:250/1 to All on Wed Mar 18 16:30:28 2020
    David W. Hodgins wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 18:46:15 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
    <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:

    David W. Hodgins wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 20:36:06 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
    <2458099@smtp.gmail.com> wrote:
             I always installed Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia in
             Esperanto. At Cauldron there was no longer that option. >>>>          installed it in Portuguese but I can't change the
             language.

    I've never tried it, but I think it's just a matter of installing the
    desired locales-$lang, setting the values in /etc/locale.conf, and then
    updating the initrd with "mkinitrd -f".

    That should be handled by mcc/Manage localization for your system,
    but I'm
    not sure if it will show languages that don't have the locales-$lang
    package
    installed, or update the initrd.

    I tried your suggestion. The system started reporting errors.

    Unfortunately the newsgroup settings do not allow me to send a photo.

    What's happening with Mageia? It was an easy-to-install distribution but
    it's getting more and more difficult.

    Without knowing what errors, I can't help further.

    Cauldron is meant for use only by advanced users. It isn't even ready
    for beta
    testing at this point in time.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins


    Advanced users. I have seen this expression a lot but it is somewhat inaccurate. To this day, I don't know what level I could fit into. I
    have Mageia 7 installed on another partition. I chose Cauldron because development occurs in this version. Attention will be paid to error notifications. I want to believe it is being useful for distribution.


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  • From David W. Hodgins@2:250/1 to All on Wed Mar 18 17:26:10 2020
    On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 12:30:28 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:

    Advanced users. I have seen this expression a lot but it is somewhat inaccurate. To this day, I don't know what level I could fit into. I
    have Mageia 7 installed on another partition. I chose Cauldron because development occurs in this version. Attention will be paid to error notifications. I want to believe it is being useful for distribution.

    My apologies if my comment came across as in any way being disparaging. https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Cauldron#Who_should_use_Mageia_Cauldron.2C_and_who_s houldn.27t.3F
    has a description of who should use cauldron.

    Prior to the first beta (or alpha, if that route is chosen), Cauldron is
    mostly intended for use by developers working on it.

    People who are not packagers are certainly welcome to help test it, provided they accept that cauldron is not expected to be stable and problems are to be expected. Reports of problems found in cauldron are encouraged, though the reports
    are best handled either on the mageia-dev mailing list, or via bugzilla, so there will be direct communication between the packager(s) involved, and the person reporting the problem. Cauldron users are also expected to monitor the dev ml to ensure they do not install partial updates that may break usage of their system. When there are large updates involving many packages, such as all
    of plasma or gnome, it's risky to install updates during the middle of the packages being built. That's also a risk for qa testers of updates, or others using the Updates Testing repos.

    When the iso images do start being produced, they go through qa testing before they are released to the general public to ensure they at least boot, and install
    in the systems being used for that testing.

    People on the qa team and people using the netinstall iso images with cauldron have to be willing to accept that the testing may trash their system completely.
    It's not expected, and hasn't happened yet, but it's always a possibility.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  • From Gilberto F da Silva@2:250/1 to All on Wed Mar 18 17:33:31 2020
    David W. Hodgins wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 08:55:06 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva <2458099@smtp.gmail.com> wrote:

    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_TYPE: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8)
    no such file or directory
    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_COLLATE: cannot change locale
    (eo.UTF-8) no such file or directory
    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_MESSAGES: cannot change locale
    (eo.UTF-8) no such file or directory
    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_NUMERIC: cannot change locale
    (eo.UTF-8) no such file or directory
    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_TIME: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8)
    no such file or directory

    Those warning can/should be ignored. They occur because the Esperanto language has
    very limited support, and does not include UTF-8 character definitions, likely
    because it doesn't need them as it mostly uses the Latin character set.
    I know
    they are annoying due to how often bash will show them.

    After installing the Esperanto language files, the messages disappeared.

    The files were installed with urpmi locales-eo


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  • From Gilberto F da Silva@2:250/1 to All on Wed Mar 18 18:03:33 2020
    David W. Hodgins wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 08:55:06 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva <2458099@smtp.gmail.com> wrote:

    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_TYPE: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8)
    no such file or directory
    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_COLLATE: cannot change locale
    (eo.UTF-8) no such file or directory
    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_MESSAGES: cannot change locale
    (eo.UTF-8) no such file or directory
    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_NUMERIC: cannot change locale
    (eo.UTF-8) no such file or directory
    - -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_TIME: cannot change locale (eo.UTF-8)
    no such file or directory

    Those warning can/should be ignored. They occur because the Esperanto language has
    very limited support, and does not include UTF-8 character definitions, likely
    because it doesn't need them as it mostly uses the Latin character set.
    I know
    they are annoying due to how often bash will show them.

    I've confirmed mcc/System/Manager localization only shows installed
    languages for
    selection, but even with locales-eo installed, mcc does not offer
    Esperanto for
    the System language in either Mageia 7 or Cauldron on my system, likely because
    I am currently using en_CA.UTF-8, so it's only showing locales with UTF8 support.

    However, as the lack of UTF-8 support for Esperanto does not appear to
    be new, I
    don't see how those warnings would not have been seen during prior installations,
    as those parts of the installer do not appear to have changed.


    Until version 5 I had no problems with that. I have always used
    Esperanto since installation. That was just something I liked about
    Mageia. I know, keeping translations is very difficult. Patrick
    Volkerding refused to include Slackware translations made by a Frenchman.

    I usually check the translation of the programs used by me.
    Unfortunately, the enthusiasm for doing translations seems to be waning.
    I see incomplete translations and abandoning translations for major
    projects like KDE.


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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Wed Mar 18 18:06:17 2020
    On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 13:30:28 -0300, Gilberto F da Silva wrote:


    Advanced users. I have seen this expression a lot but it is somewhat inaccurate. To this day, I don't know what level I could fit into. I
    have Mageia 7 installed on another partition. I chose Cauldron because development occurs in this version. Attention will be paid to error notifications. I want to believe it is being useful for distribution.

    The distribution can always use "testers" to report bugs found in Cauldron
    if the bug is repeatable. The quicker bugs are reported, will have a
    chance of getting fixed before the decision is made for letting the
    general public start looking at Cauldron.

    Cauldron users do need to keep an eye on the dev mailing list to have
    an idea of where Cauldron is at the moment in time. Saw a message weeks
    ago indicating nonfree and tainted are not really being rebuilt as mga8.

    Currently there are 2,729 total packages that have yet to be packaged as mga8. Core x86_64 alone has 1362 mga7 packages.

    I tend to glance at https://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/ to see if I want to
    even upgrade Cauldron from the clean net install I did a few weeks ago.





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  • From Gilberto F da Silva@2:250/1 to All on Wed Mar 18 18:27:22 2020
    David W. Hodgins wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 12:30:28 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
    <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:

    Advanced users. I have seen this expression a lot but it is somewhat
    inaccurate. To this day, I don't know what level I could fit into. I
    have Mageia 7 installed on another partition. I chose Cauldron because
    development occurs in this version. Attention will be paid to error
    notifications. I want to believe it is being useful for distribution.

    My apologies if my comment came across as in any way being disparaging.

    https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Cauldron#Who_should_use_Mageia_Cauldron.2C_and_who_s houldn.27t.3F


    No problem. English is not my mother tongue. I try to formulate short
    sentences in order to help automatic translator. If anyone tries to help
    me, I just have to say thank you.

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  • From Gilberto F da Silva@2:250/1 to All on Wed Mar 18 18:43:48 2020
    David W. Hodgins wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 12:30:28 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
    <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:

    Advanced users. I have seen this expression a lot but it is somewhat
    inaccurate. To this day, I don't know what level I could fit into. I
    have Mageia 7 installed on another partition. I chose Cauldron because
    development occurs in this version. Attention will be paid to error
    notifications. I want to believe it is being useful for distribution.

    My apologies if my comment came across as in any way being disparaging.

    https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Cauldron#Who_should_use_Mageia_Cauldron.2C_and_who_s houldn.27t.3F

    has a description of who should use cauldron.

    Prior to the first beta (or alpha, if that route is chosen), Cauldron is mostly intended for use by developers working on it.

    People who are not packagers are certainly welcome to help test it,
    provided
    they accept that cauldron is not expected to be stable and problems are
    to be
    expected. Reports of problems found in cauldron are encouraged, though
    the reports
    are best handled either on the mageia-dev mailing list, or via bugzilla, so there will be direct communication between the packager(s) involved, and
    the
    person reporting the problem. Cauldron users are also expected to
    monitor the
    dev ml to ensure they do not install partial updates that may break
    usage of
    their system. When there are large updates involving many packages, such
    as all
    of plasma or gnome, it's risky to install updates during the middle of the packages being built. That's also a risk for qa testers of updates, or
    others
    using the Updates Testing repos.

    When the iso images do start being produced, they go through qa testing before
    they are released to the general public to ensure they at least boot,
    and install
    in the systems being used for that testing.

    People on the qa team and people using the netinstall iso images with cauldron
    have to be willing to accept that the testing may trash their system completely.
    It's not expected, and hasn't happened yet, but it's always a possibility.

    On this computer I have 3 partitions with Linux. Slackware 14.2,
    Cauldron and Mageia 7. Everything I use is working on Slackware. The
    idea is to have another distribution also working. I will feel a certain satisfaction if I contribute a little.


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