Even here in Australia, all large gatherings have been cancelled (not as
a group, but individually,) including
* The Australian leg of the Grand Prix. A member of one team tested positive, and a member of another was waiting for results. The
organizers were intending to exclude Australia from the figures; now
there will be none to exclude. Today's paper lists numerous smaller
events as cancelled.
* The annual Easter Fair in my city, Bendigo, Vic, featuring a Chinese dragon. A member of our Chinese community was on Ancestry's "Who do you think you are" as an expert adviser.
* A big radio Hamfest in the metropolitan region, maybe the biggest in Australia (notified this morning by my local club.)
There were only 3 countries with no deaths. Since then, one (Albania)
has joined the majority.
And I thought that we were safe here, in Bendigo. Our taxi company is sanitizing as per Government regulations. Apart from the Easter Fair,
we have a Great Stupa for the Buddhists, and we are planning a mosque.
The Karen community is big in this region. We make an effort to attract tourists. Outside Bendigo, in our Gold Coast tourist region, Tom Hanks
and his wife are affected; a beautician recently returned developed
symptoms after a day at work. No place is safe. Before the present
crisis, my wife brought home a particularly vicious 'flu from New
Zealand. It was bad enough; we were both unable to move for a week. :(
I have had flu continually for several years.
On 2020-03-14, Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> wrote:
Even here in Australia, all large gatherings have been cancelled (not as
a group, but individually,) including
* The Australian leg of the Grand Prix. A member of one team tested
positive, and a member of another was waiting for results. The
organizers were intending to exclude Australia from the figures; now
there will be none to exclude. Today's paper lists numerous smaller
events as cancelled.
* The annual Easter Fair in my city, Bendigo, Vic, featuring a Chinese
dragon. A member of our Chinese community was on Ancestry's "Who do you
think you are" as an expert adviser.
* A big radio Hamfest in the metropolitan region, maybe the biggest in
Australia (notified this morning by my local club.)
There were only 3 countries with no deaths. Since then, one (Albania)
has joined the majority.
I am extremely suspicious of countries with low number of cases and low number of deaths. In the US the number of cases were abnormally low, and
it turns out because they were not testing anyone. If you do not test,
you have no confirmed cases. (I suspect that the same is true of Russia
now). Iran had no cases until suddenly many hundreds were dead.
And I thought that we were safe here, in Bendigo. Our taxi company is
sanitizing as per Government regulations. Apart from the Easter Fair,
we have a Great Stupa for the Buddhists, and we are planning a mosque.
The Karen community is big in this region. We make an effort to attract
tourists. Outside Bendigo, in our Gold Coast tourist region, Tom Hanks
and his wife are affected; a beautician recently returned developed
symptoms after a day at work. No place is safe. Before the present
crisis, my wife brought home a particularly vicious 'flu from New
Zealand. It was bad enough; we were both unable to move for a week. :(
I have had flu continually for several years.
Do you get vaccinated? If not, why not?
Mind you Australia tends to early on the flu circuit, before the vaccine
has really been properly specified.
Even here in Australia, all large gatherings have been cancelled (not as
a group, but individually,) including
Even here in Australia, all large gatherings have been cancelled (not as
a group, but individually,) including
* The Australian leg of the Grand Prix. A member of one team tested positive, and a member of another was waiting for results. The
organizers were intending to exclude Australia from the figures; now
there will be none to exclude. Today's paper lists numerous smaller
events as cancelled.
* The annual Easter Fair in my city, Bendigo, Vic, featuring a Chinese dragon. A member of our Chinese community was on Ancestry's "Who do you think you are" as an expert adviser.
* A big radio Hamfest in the metropolitan region, maybe the biggest in Australia (notified this morning by my local club.)
There were only 3 countries with no deaths. Since then, one (Albania)
has joined the majority.
And I thought that we were safe here, in Bendigo. Our taxi company is sanitizing as per Government regulations. Apart from the Easter Fair,
we have a Great Stupa for the Buddhists, and we are planning a mosque.
The Karen community is big in this region. We make an effort to attract tourists. Outside Bendigo, in our Gold Coast tourist region, Tom Hanks
and his wife are affected; a beautician recently returned developed
symptoms after a day at work. No place is safe. Before the present
crisis, my wife brought home a particularly vicious 'flu from New
Zealand. It was bad enough; we were both unable to move for a week. :(
I have had flu continually for several years.
On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 13:35:34 +1100, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
Even here in Australia, all large gatherings have been cancelled (not as
a group, but individually,) including
* The Australian leg of the Grand Prix. A member of one team tested
positive, and a member of another was waiting for results. The
organizers were intending to exclude Australia from the figures; now
there will be none to exclude. Today's paper lists numerous smaller
events as cancelled.
* The annual Easter Fair in my city, Bendigo, Vic, featuring a Chinese
dragon. A member of our Chinese community was on Ancestry's "Who do you
think you are" as an expert adviser.
* A big radio Hamfest in the metropolitan region, maybe the biggest in
Australia (notified this morning by my local club.)
There were only 3 countries with no deaths. Since then, one (Albania)
has joined the majority.
And I thought that we were safe here, in Bendigo. Our taxi company is
sanitizing as per Government regulations. Apart from the Easter Fair,
we have a Great Stupa for the Buddhists, and we are planning a mosque.
The Karen community is big in this region. We make an effort to attract
tourists. Outside Bendigo, in our Gold Coast tourist region, Tom Hanks
and his wife are affected; a beautician recently returned developed
symptoms after a day at work. No place is safe. Before the present
crisis, my wife brought home a particularly vicious 'flu from New
Zealand. It was bad enough; we were both unable to move for a week. :(
I have had flu continually for several years.
Continually? Or recurrently? Or do you mean by "flu" any upper
respiratory infection, viral or bacterial? There are three different species of actual "influenza" caused by a species of orthomyxovirus, with variants of type A "the flu" of epidemics and pandemics and often
originates in animals, type B that affects only humans and especially children but that is a mild form possibly causing seasonal epidemics but
not pandemics, and type C that affects humans and causes neither
epidemics nor pandemics.
Coronavirus is a different critter, despite similar symptoms. In the
U.S. Covid-19 has mostly caused epidemic and pandemic insanity in the
mass media, with a secondary infection of same among the left-wing
political leaders and activists.
Testing for diagnosis got off to a slow start. Testing for specific
nucleic acids or genetic material is best
(https://www.labome.com/method/\
Virus-Identification-and-Quantification.html lists varieties of testing)
but somewhat rigorous in its requirements and the Center for Disease
Control restricted those allowed to test for it in the U.S. Then,
materials used in the tests on hand were discovered to be contaminated,
and that upset things.
The CDC itself was initially the only authorized test facility for
diagnosis, but now we are up to 100 facilities or more authorized.
Accuracy and reliability remain uncertain, with the new Roche test
promising but as yet unproven.
As noted elsewhere, Covid-19 has gone worldwide, and eventually all will
be exposed to it. There is a fatality rate but nobody knows what it is,
as nobody knows how many have been exposed, how many have been inflected,
how many have displayed observable symptoms, and how many have died from Covid-19 vs something similar, although numbers on the last seem to be pretty good.
My guess is progression of the disease and its death toll will be similar
to that of Spanish Flu in 1918-1919, which is non-trivial but we will
survive. Economic damage may be greater, as things are more expensive
and more complicated and intricate in supply chains for production.
As mentioned elsewhere, the main idea at present is to slow the pace of spread, to minimize the number critically ill at any given time.
Hospital intensive care units are fairly effective in keeping people
alive, but have limited number of beds, limited respirators, and limited physicians and nurses that are qualified for ICU. And they too are vulnerable to the disease.
Ah, well. The Four Horsemen will ride. This time will be a warning exercise, rather than a collapse of civilization along the lines of the Plague aka Black Death of earlier times when a third to two-thirds of a population of size might be killed off.
Cheers!
jim b.
On 2020-03-14, Jim Beard <jim.beard@verizon.net> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 13:35:34 +1100, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
Even here in Australia, all large gatherings have been cancelled (not as >>> a group, but individually,) including
* The Australian leg of the Grand Prix. A member of one team tested
positive, and a member of another was waiting for results. The
organizers were intending to exclude Australia from the figures; now
there will be none to exclude. Today's paper lists numerous smaller
events as cancelled.
* The annual Easter Fair in my city, Bendigo, Vic, featuring a Chinese
dragon. A member of our Chinese community was on Ancestry's "Who do you >>> think you are" as an expert adviser.
* A big radio Hamfest in the metropolitan region, maybe the biggest in
Australia (notified this morning by my local club.)
There were only 3 countries with no deaths. Since then, one (Albania)
has joined the majority.
And I thought that we were safe here, in Bendigo. Our taxi company is
sanitizing as per Government regulations. Apart from the Easter Fair,
we have a Great Stupa for the Buddhists, and we are planning a mosque.
The Karen community is big in this region. We make an effort to attract >>> tourists. Outside Bendigo, in our Gold Coast tourist region, Tom Hanks
and his wife are affected; a beautician recently returned developed
symptoms after a day at work. No place is safe. Before the present
crisis, my wife brought home a particularly vicious 'flu from New
Zealand. It was bad enough; we were both unable to move for a week. :( >>> I have had flu continually for several years.
Continually? Or recurrently? Or do you mean by "flu" any upper
respiratory infection, viral or bacterial? There are three different
species of actual "influenza" caused by a species of orthomyxovirus, with
variants of type A "the flu" of epidemics and pandemics and often
originates in animals, type B that affects only humans and especially
children but that is a mild form possibly causing seasonal epidemics but
not pandemics, and type C that affects humans and causes neither
epidemics nor pandemics.
Coronavirus is a different critter, despite similar symptoms. In the
U.S. Covid-19 has mostly caused epidemic and pandemic insanity in the
mass media, with a secondary infection of same among the left-wing
political leaders and activists.
Unfortunately, as you indicate below, the US has not tested and thus has
no idea of the extent of the infection. IF the testing were there, and
one had a good idea, much of the panic would disappear.
A death rate of 3% (from Wuhan, where the testing has been extensive) is serious. "Fortunately" it seems primarily to be the older people. In
Spanish flu it was primarily the 20-40 group that got killed and the
death rate was higher than 3%. We "survived" the black death in which
the death rate was 30-60% or higher. But with that kind of death rate, nothing would be the same again. The economy would be devastated, and
society would have to revert to far more primative conditions (think no running water, not electricity, no gasoline) but we (meaning the world)
would "survive" meaning some people would still exist and would form a society. You probably would not.
Now covid is far less severe and kills off the less productive sector of
the society, so it would cause much less harm to "society"
That sums up Trump's administration. The man in charge of
Testing for diagnosis got off to a slow start. Testing for specific
nucleic acids or genetic material is best
(https://www.labome.com/method/\
Crap. In an emergency you do not concentrate on the "best". You get it
done, and when the best gets going, you bring it in. It was sheer incompetence at the CDC. Probably because the Pandemic arm had been
gutted so nooone knew what they were doing.
Virus-Identification-and-Quantification.html lists varieties of testing)
but somewhat rigorous in its requirements and the Center for Disease
Control restricted those allowed to test for it in the U.S. Then,
Idiotic.
materials used in the tests on hand were discovered to be contaminated,
and that upset things.
Incompetence again.
The CDC itself was initially the only authorized test facility for
Why?
diagnosis, but now we are up to 100 facilities or more authorized.
Accuracy and reliability remain uncertain, with the new Roche test
promising but as yet unproven.
In the meantime Korea manages to test 20000 per day.
Even if their results are "less eliable" ( and that is not at all clear)
they have a far far better picture of what is happening and what they
can do to slow the spread and mitigate the harm. It is as if firemen at
a file were only allowed to use the best fire extinguishers to put out a file, not just dump water on it (how crude can you get, and you might
ruin the carpets when you do so).
As noted elsewhere, Covid-19 has gone worldwide, and eventually all will
That was clear in January who gave it any thought.
be exposed to it. There is a fatality rate but nobody knows what it is,
as nobody knows how many have been exposed, how many have been inflected,
No, one has a pretty good idea from Korea and China. In the US, they
have none since they do not test.
how many have displayed observable symptoms, and how many have died from
Covid-19 vs something similar, although numbers on the last seem to be
pretty good.
My guess is progression of the disease and its death toll will be similar
to that of Spanish Flu in 1918-1919, which is non-trivial but we will
Let us hope not. And Spanish flu also seemed to target the young, very
unlike other flus. Also, the world had just completed WWI which was
already HUGELY disruptive to the society, so the disruption due to the
flu was hidden. (Father Brown-- How do you hide a murder? On a
battlefield).
The local talkers to the people may say respirators when they mean highsurvive. Economic damage may be greater, as things are more expensive
and more complicated and intricate in supply chains for production.
As mentioned elsewhere, the main idea at present is to slow the pace of
spread, to minimize the number critically ill at any given time.
Agreed. And to do so you need to know what you have and how to slow that pace.
Hospital intensive care units are fairly effective in keeping people
alive, but have limited number of beds, limited respirators, and limited
physicians and nurses that are qualified for ICU. And they too are
vulnerable to the disease.
Ah, well. The Four Horsemen will ride. This time will be a warning
exercise, rather than a collapse of civilization along the lines of the
Plague aka Black Death of earlier times when a third to two-thirds of a
population of size might be killed off.
Lets hope so. We really do not have any data from a similar experiment
to see what the effect will be.
Cheers!
jim b.
On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 22:35:34 -0400, Doug Laidlaw
<laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> wrote:
Even here in Australia, all large gatherings have been cancelled (not as
a group, but individually,) including
All gatherings over 250 people are banned here, and all education
facilities
are closed.
We've had one travel related covid case here in London, Ontario, but so far no other cases.
As the virus is now global, it will eventually get here. The
restrictions in
place are to ensure that happens gradually, rather then all at once, so
that
it does not overload the hospitals, and to give time for a vaccine to be developed and distributed.
It's not that long since we were hit by SARS, so the procedures set up
for and
since that have been working well, so far.
Some people are overreacting causing panic shopping, and there are major economic impacts, especially in travel and entertainment, but no other impacts
here.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
There has been panic buying in the stores, for things like fresh
produce, hand sanitizer, and mysteriously, toilet paper. My own
speculation is that people are concerned that they will find themselves stuck in quarantine, and are buying accordingly.
On 16/3/20 1:47 am, TJ wrote:
There has been panic buying in the stores, for things like fresh
produce, hand sanitizer, and mysteriously, toilet paper. My own
speculation is that people are concerned that they will find
themselves stuck in quarantine, and are buying accordingly.
Yes, very mysteriously, toilet paper. Historically toilet paper is a
recent luxury.
To be blunt, before toilet paper, the procedure was a bowl/bucket of
water and the left hand.
Or a leaf! But I can't really see how successful that could be :-(
Regards
On 3/15/20 2:10 PM, faeychild wrote:
On 16/3/20 1:47 am, TJ wrote:Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck agree "people is cwazy"!
There has been panic buying in the stores, for things like fresh
produce, hand sanitizer, and mysteriously, toilet paper. My own
speculation is that people are concerned that they will find
themselves stuck in quarantine, and are buying accordingly.
Yes, very mysteriously, toilet paper. Historically toilet paper is a
recent luxury.
To be blunt, before toilet paper, the procedure was a bowl/bucket of
water and the left hand.
Or a leaf! But I can't really see how successful that could be :-(
Regards
Here in th4 USA in the thrilling yesteryear the Sears
catalog was kept at hand in case we ran our of TP, Before
that it was corn cobs and befor4 that a rag on a stick and a
bucket of water. The last goes back to ancient Greece and
Rome. We prefer out modern luxury especially since the flush
toilet replaced the pit or chamberpot for the very well off...
bliss
Here in th4 USA in the thrilling yesteryear the Sears
catalog was kept at hand in case we ran our of TP, Before
that it was corn cobs and befor4 that a rag on a stick and a
On 16/3/20 1:47 am, TJ wrote:
There has been panic buying in the stores, for things like fresh
produce, hand sanitizer, and mysteriously, toilet paper. My own
speculation is that people are concerned that they will find themselves
stuck in quarantine, and are buying accordingly.
Yes, very mysteriously, toilet paper. Historically toilet paper is a
recent luxury.
To be blunt, before toilet paper, the procedure was a bowl/bucket of
water and the left hand.
Or a leaf! But I can't really see how successful that could be :-(
Regards
Hi Readers and Typers,
Well I just found this item and am sending it to many places.
<https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/higher-temperatures-affect-sur vival-of-new-coronavirus-pathologist-says/700800>
If not yet good news at least better.
Bobbie Sellers
Here in th4 USA in the thrilling yesteryear the Sears
catalog was kept at hand in case we ran our of TP, Before
that it was corn cobs and befor4 that a rag on a stick and a
bucket of water. The last goes back to ancient Greece and
Rome. We prefer out modern luxury especially since the flush
toilet replaced the pit or chamberpot for the very well off...
bliss
On 2020-03-15, Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
Hi Readers and Typers,
Well I just found this item and am sending it to many places.
<https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/higher-temperatures-affect-surv ival-of-new-coronavirus-pathologist-says/700800>
If not yet good news at least better.
Unfortnately the article contains vertually no information, and
certainly no references (What does "published but not yet refereed"
mean)
On 16/3/20 8:38 am, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Here in th4 USA in the thrilling yesteryear the Sears
catalog was kept at hand in case we ran our of TP, Before
that it was corn cobs and befor4 that a rag on a stick and a
Whenever someone says using corn cobs, an image flashes into my mind of
a corn cob with the corn kernels removed, leaving that pitted dried stem.
I automatically wince at the thought.
On 3/15/20 9:10 PM, William Unruh wrote:
On 2020-03-15, Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
Hi Readers and Typers,
Well I just found this item and am sending it to many places.
<https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/higher-temperatures-affect-surv ival-of-new-coronavirus-pathologist-says/700800>
If not yet good news at least better.
Unfortnately the article contains vertually no information, and
certainly no references (What does "published but not yet refereed"
mean)
I read it as "not yet peer-reviewed."
TJ
On 2020-03-16, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
On 3/15/20 9:10 PM, William Unruh wrote:
On 2020-03-15, Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
Hi Readers and Typers,
Well I just found this item and am sending it to many places.
<https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/higher-temperatures-affect-surv ival-of-new-coronavirus-pathologist-says/700800>
If not yet good news at least better.
Unfortnately the article contains vertually no information, and
certainly no references (What does "published but not yet refereed"
mean)
I read it as "not yet peer-reviewed."
And I read it as accuweather having no idea what that meant. I assume
they are talking about what in the jargon is called a preprint, perhaps posted to some public preprint repository for medical stuff, or perhaps simply posted on the person's web page. But the absolute lack of
anything that the reader could go look at to see what is really being
said in the paper makes me really suspicious.
What experiment did he do? Or was it just a correlation between "outdoor temperature" and corona infections. Or were those two different papers?, Or...Or...Or..
TJ
On 3/16/20 2:36 AM, William Unruh wrote:OK. They did a study correlating local weather with covid infection
On 2020-03-16, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
On 3/15/20 9:10 PM, William Unruh wrote:
On 2020-03-15, Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
Hi Readers and Typers,
Well I just found this item and am sending it to many places. >>>>>
<https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/higher-temperatures-affect-surv ival-of-new-coronavirus-pathologist-says/700800>
If not yet good news at least better.
Unfortnately the article contains vertually no information, and
certainly no references (What does "published but not yet refereed"
mean)
I read it as "not yet peer-reviewed."
And I read it as accuweather having no idea what that meant. I assume
they are talking about what in the jargon is called a preprint, perhaps
posted to some public preprint repository for medical stuff, or perhaps
simply posted on the person's web page. But the absolute lack of
anything that the reader could go look at to see what is really being
said in the paper makes me really suspicious.
What experiment did he do? Or was it just a correlation between "outdoor
temperature" and corona infections. Or were those two different papers?,
Or...Or...Or..
TJ
I don't consider Google to be my friend any more, but DuckDuckGo is
supposed to be a better one. A quick search there turns up
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3550308
I believe that is the paper cited by Accuweather. I didn't try it, but there's a link there to the whole paper if you want to wade through it.
YOu never used British toilet paper from as late as the 70's? Newpaper
was softer. It was about the consistancy of the Sears (or Eaton's in
Canada) catelog pages (another staple of the N Am Prarie outhouses).
but much smaller pieces.
grape leaf would be an advance I think.
~
O
Well only 4 months to my 83rd b/d and in January it looked like a sure thing but with Covid-19 loose, I can only hope I make it through.
But the death rate even for the old is not so high...
But the infectious period is before you start showing symptoms to
at least 3 days after you are well as you will still be shedding
virus.
Always look on the bright side.
It is raining in San Francisco and will be snowing in the Sierra Nevada, my favorite watershed.
On 15/3/20 5:40 am, Bobbie Sellers wrote:ry it looked
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Well only 4 months to my 83rd b/d and in Janua=
high...like a sure thing but with Covid-19 loose, I can only hope I make
it through.
=20
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0But the death rate even for the old is not so =
wing in theBut the infectious period is before you start showing symptoms to
at least 3 days after you are well as you will still be shedding
virus.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Always look on the bright side.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0It is raining in San Francisco and will be sno=
Sierra Nevada, my favorite watershed. =20
=20
Remember, Bobbie, it's only a flu virus and, as such, can be avoided.
On 15/3/20 5:40 am, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
O
Well only 4 months to my 83rd b/d and in January it looked like a >> sure thing but with Covid-19 loose, I can only hope I make it through.
But the death rate even for the old is not so high...
But the infectious period is before you start showing symptoms to
at least 3 days after you are well as you will still be shedding
virus.
Always look on the bright side.
It is raining in San Francisco and will be snowing in the Sierra >> Nevada, my favorite watershed.
Remember, Bobbie, it's only a flu virus and, as such, can be avoided. It doesn't lurk around every corner waiting to mug you.
But it is also clear that the world is run by the graduates of the
Larry, Moe and Curly school for Advanced Administrators.
So, belts and braces then.
On 15/3/20 5:40 am, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
O
Well only 4 months to my 83rd b/d and in January it looked like a >> sure thing but with Covid-19 loose, I can only hope I make it through.
But the death rate even for the old is not so high...
But the infectious period is before you start showing symptoms to
at least 3 days after you are well as you will still be shedding
virus.
Always look on the bright side.
It is raining in San Francisco and will be snowing in the Sierra >> Nevada, my favorite watershed.
Remember, Bobbie, it's only a flu virus and, as such, can be avoided. It doesn't lurk around every corner waiting to mug you.
But it is also clear that the world is run by the graduates of the
Larry, Moe and Curly school for Advanced Administrators.
So, belts and braces then.
On 3/16/20 3:50 PM, faeychild wrote:
On 15/3/20 5:40 am, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
O
Well only 4 months to my 83rd b/d and in January it looked like >>> sure thing but with Covid-19 loose, I can only hope I make it through.
But the death rate even for the old is not so high...
Probably 3 out of 5 or better of the antiquated will survive.
But the infectious period is before you start showing symptoms to
at least 3 days after you are well as you will still be shedding
virus.
Always look on the bright side.
It is raining in San Francisco and will be snowing in the Sierra >>> Nevada, my favorite watershed.
Remember, Bobbie, it's only a flu virus and, as such, can be avoided. It
doesn't lurk around every corner waiting to mug you.
It is not a flu virus and flu virus is passed person to person but with
corona it passes from one infected to at least 3 others.
But it is also clear that the world is run by the graduates of the
Larry, Moe and Curly school for Advanced Administrators.
In the USA that is true but those 12 days before symptoms show
up are really hell on all the numbers.
So, belts and braces then.
Gum boots along with belts and braces, face masks and nose plugs, goggles and a balaclava. Or a space suit.
bliss - Always look on the bright side of life...
On 2020-03-16, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:competently as
On 15/3/20 5:40 am, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
O
Well only 4 months to my 83rd b/d and in January it looked like >>> sure thing but with Covid-19 loose, I can only hope I make it through.
But the death rate even for the old is not so high...
But the infectious period is before you start showing symptoms to
at least 3 days after you are well as you will still be shedding
virus.
Always look on the bright side.
It is raining in San Francisco and will be snowing in the Sierra >>> Nevada, my favorite watershed.
Remember, Bobbie, it's only a flu virus and, as such, can be avoided. It
doesn't lurk around every corner waiting to mug you.
It is NOT a flu virus. And it can be very nasty. The death rate is much higher than the flu. The infectiousness seems much higher than most
flus (Probably about the same as the swine flu but much more lethal).
There is not vaccination for it. There is no way of treating it
other than treating the syptoms. And yes, if there is any person
standing around that corner (or was standing around that corner up to a
week ago), it could well be waiting to mug you if you are not careful.
But it is also clear that the world is run by the graduates of the
Larry, Moe and Curly school for Advanced Administrators.
Well, some areas of the world. It seems that China and S Korea are run
far as this is concerned. Our neighbor to the south not so much so
So, belts and braces then.
On 3/16/20 6:16 PM, William Unruh wrote:
On 2020-03-16, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 15/3/20 5:40 am, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
O
Well only 4 months to my 83rd b/d and in January it looked like >>>> sure thing but with Covid-19 loose, I can only hope I make it through. >>>>
But the death rate even for the old is not so high...
But the infectious period is before you start showing symptoms to
at least 3 days after you are well as you will still be shedding
virus.
Always look on the bright side.
It is raining in San Francisco and will be snowing in the Sierra
Nevada, my favorite watershed.
Remember, Bobbie, it's only a flu virus and, as such, can be avoided. It >>> doesn't lurk around every corner waiting to mug you.
It is NOT a flu virus. And it can be very nasty. The death rate is much
higher than the flu. The infectiousness seems much higher than most
flus (Probably about the same as the swine flu but much more lethal).
There is not vaccination for it. There is no way of treating it
other than treating the syptoms. And yes, if there is any person
standing around that corner (or was standing around that corner up to a
week ago), it could well be waiting to mug you if you are not careful.
But it is also clear that the world is run by the graduates of the
Larry, Moe and Curly school for Advanced Administrators.
Well, some areas of the world. It seems that China and S Korea are run competently as
far as this is concerned. Our neighbor to the south not so much so
So, belts and braces then.
The Chinese could have done much better but they instead
punished the prophet and ignored his science-based warning.
Just a part of their Internet censorship. I think this may
eventually cost them the "Mandate of Heaven" i.e. the approval
of the people they govern.
I was reading about this earlier today online. Under the
heading "Chinese Network Police" given more power. The CNP are
just a tool that turned and cut the users' hand.
bliss
On 17.03.2020 at 09:50, faeychild scribbled:
On 15/3/20 5:40 am, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
O
Well only 4 months to my 83rd b/d and in January it looked
like a sure thing but with Covid-19 loose, I can only hope I make
it through.
But the death rate even for the old is not so high...
But the infectious period is before you start showing symptoms to
at least 3 days after you are well as you will still be shedding
virus.
Always look on the bright side.
It is raining in San Francisco and will be snowing in the
Sierra Nevada, my favorite watershed.
Remember, Bobbie, it's only a flu virus and, as such, can be avoided.
SARS-CoV2 is most definitely *not* a flu virus, and its mortality rate
is significantly higher than that of (the real) flu — which most people also have confused with the common cold. The common cold does not
kill, the flu does kill, and SARS-CoV2 kills even more (and generally
faster too).
Writing Covid-19 off as the flu is highly irresponsible.
On 3/16/20 8:53 PM, Aragorn wrote:nuary it looked
On 17.03.2020 at 09:50, faeychild scribbled:
=20
On 15/3/20 5:40 am, Bobbie Sellers wrote: =20
=20
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Well only 4 months to my 83rd b/d and in Ja=
=20=20like a sure thing but with Covid-19 loose, I can only hope I make
it through.
Remember, Bobbie, it's only a flu virus and, as such, can be
avoided. =20
SARS-CoV2 is most definitely *not* a flu virus, and its mortality
rate is significantly higher than that of (the real) flu =E2=80=94 which most people also have confused with the common cold. The common
cold does not kill, the flu does kill, and SARS-CoV2 kills even
more (and generally faster too).
=20
Writing Covid-19 off as the flu is highly irresponsible.
Writing off the common cold as non-lethal is also irresponsible. For=20
those with underlying conditions and weakened immune systems, the
same group in the most danger from COVID-19 and flu, the common cold
can indeed be fatal. Less so than flu and corona viruses, but it's
not danger-free.
On 2020-03-17, Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
I was reading about this earlier today online. Under the=20
heading "Chinese Network Police" given more power. The CNP are
just a tool that turned and cut the users' hand. =20
Believe me, I am not impressed with many of the things they have done
and do. They have a hard job and are deathly afraid of returning to
the warlord periods, where the society fractures into competing and
fighting strongmen.
But along the way they forget that the people really are what govt is
all about.
On the other hand if Trump is the exemplar of what US democracy
produces, one can hardly blame them for wanting a different path.
On 17.03.2020 at 03:12, William Unruh scribbled:
On 2020-03-17, Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
I was reading about this earlier today online. Under the
heading "Chinese Network Police" given more power. The CNP are
just a tool that turned and cut the users' hand.
Believe me, I am not impressed with many of the things they have done
and do. They have a hard job and are deathly afraid of returning to
the warlord periods, where the society fractures into competing and
fighting strongmen.
Which is the situation here in the West, although we call those
warlords "corporations". ;)
But along the way they forget that the people really are what govt is
all about.
Which is not only an unfortunate evolution that virtually all communist regimes eventually fall prey to, but also all other regimes.
The problem is caused by the concept of entrusting a select group of
people with authority over everyone else in society. Inevitably, the
system decays into an oligarchy.
On the other hand if Trump is the exemplar of what US democracy
produces, one can hardly blame them for wanting a different path.
Wholeheartedly agreed. George W. Bush was bad — very, very bad — but Trump is exponentially worse.
And so it goes on, and on, and on...
On 2020-03-14, Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> wrote:
Even here in Australia, all large gatherings have been cancelled (not as
a group, but individually,) including
* The Australian leg of the Grand Prix. A member of one team tested
positive, and a member of another was waiting for results. The
organizers were intending to exclude Australia from the figures; now
there will be none to exclude. Today's paper lists numerous smaller
events as cancelled.
* The annual Easter Fair in my city, Bendigo, Vic, featuring a Chinese
dragon. A member of our Chinese community was on Ancestry's "Who do you
think you are" as an expert adviser.
* A big radio Hamfest in the metropolitan region, maybe the biggest in
Australia (notified this morning by my local club.)
There were only 3 countries with no deaths. Since then, one (Albania)
has joined the majority.
I am extremely suspicious of countries with low number of cases and low number of deaths. In the US the number of cases were abnormally low, and
it turns out because they were not testing anyone. If you do not test,
you have no confirmed cases. (I suspect that the same is true of Russia
now). Iran had no cases until suddenly many hundreds were dead.
And I thought that we were safe here, in Bendigo. Our taxi company is
sanitizing as per Government regulations. Apart from the Easter Fair,
we have a Great Stupa for the Buddhists, and we are planning a mosque.
The Karen community is big in this region. We make an effort to attract
tourists. Outside Bendigo, in our Gold Coast tourist region, Tom Hanks
and his wife are affected; a beautician recently returned developed
symptoms after a day at work. No place is safe. Before the present
crisis, my wife brought home a particularly vicious 'flu from New
Zealand. It was bad enough; we were both unable to move for a week. :(
I have had flu continually for several years.
Do you get vaccinated? If not, why not?
Mind you Australia tends to early on the flu circuit, before the vaccine
has really been properly specified.
William Unruh wrote on 14/03/2020 3:55 PM:
On 2020-03-14, Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> wrote:
Even here in Australia, all large gatherings have been cancelled (not as >>> a group, but individually,) including
* The Australian leg of the Grand Prix. A member of one team tested
positive, and a member of another was waiting for results. The
organizers were intending to exclude Australia from the figures; now
there will be none to exclude. Today's paper lists numerous smaller
events as cancelled.
* The annual Easter Fair in my city, Bendigo, Vic, featuring a Chinese
dragon. A member of our Chinese community was on Ancestry's "Who do you >>> think you are" as an expert adviser.
* A big radio Hamfest in the metropolitan region, maybe the biggest in
Australia (notified this morning by my local club.)
There were only 3 countries with no deaths. Since then, one (Albania)
has joined the majority.
I am extremely suspicious of countries with low number of cases and low
number of deaths. In the US the number of cases were abnormally low, and
it turns out because they were not testing anyone. If you do not test,
you have no confirmed cases. (I suspect that the same is true of Russia
now). Iran had no cases until suddenly many hundreds were dead.
On our News tonight, they mentioned that Russia had reported some small numbers of infections a week or more ago ... and no new cases since.
But Russia had, apparently, reported 6,000 cases of SARS!!
But, then again, this is the First of April!!
I got the Flu injection in April, last year, just before Winter hit.And I thought that we were safe here, in Bendigo. Our taxi company is
sanitizing as per Government regulations. Apart from the Easter Fair,
we have a Great Stupa for the Buddhists, and we are planning a mosque.
The Karen community is big in this region. We make an effort to attract >>> tourists. Outside Bendigo, in our Gold Coast tourist region, Tom Hanks
and his wife are affected; a beautician recently returned developed
symptoms after a day at work. No place is safe. Before the present
crisis, my wife brought home a particularly vicious 'flu from New
Zealand. It was bad enough; we were both unable to move for a week. :( >>> I have had flu continually for several years.
Do you get vaccinated? If not, why not?
Mind you Australia tends to early on the flu circuit, before the vaccine
has really been properly specified.
It seems the injection had, traditionally, included anti-virus' for the three most widespread strains in the Northern Hemisphere in its previous Winter. Last year, our injection included anti-virus' for the three most widespread strains PLUS the anti-virus for what they expect would be the fourth most widespread strain.
Since then, my nose has been drip .... drip ... dripping!!
William Unruh wrote on 14/03/2020 3:55 PM:
On 2020-03-14, Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> wrote:
Even here in Australia, all large gatherings have been cancelled (not as >>> a group, but individually,) including
* The Australian leg of the Grand Prix. A member of one team tested
positive, and a member of another was waiting for results. The
organizers were intending to exclude Australia from the figures; now
there will be none to exclude. Today's paper lists numerous smaller
events as cancelled.
* The annual Easter Fair in my city, Bendigo, Vic, featuring a Chinese
dragon. A member of our Chinese community was on Ancestry's "Who do you >>> think you are" as an expert adviser.
* A big radio Hamfest in the metropolitan region, maybe the biggest in
Australia (notified this morning by my local club.)
There were only 3 countries with no deaths. Since then, one (Albania)
has joined the majority.
I am extremely suspicious of countries with low number of cases and low
number of deaths. In the US the number of cases were abnormally low, and
it turns out because they were not testing anyone. If you do not test,
you have no confirmed cases. (I suspect that the same is true of Russia
now). Iran had no cases until suddenly many hundreds were dead.
On our News tonight, they mentioned that Russia had reported some small numbers of infections a week or more ago ... and no new cases since.
But Russia had, apparently, reported 6,000 cases of SARS!!
But, then again, this is the First of April!!
I got the Flu injection in April, last year, just before Winter hit.And I thought that we were safe here, in Bendigo. Our taxi company is
sanitizing as per Government regulations. Apart from the Easter Fair,
we have a Great Stupa for the Buddhists, and we are planning a mosque.
The Karen community is big in this region. We make an effort to attract >>> tourists. Outside Bendigo, in our Gold Coast tourist region, Tom Hanks >>> and his wife are affected; a beautician recently returned developed
symptoms after a day at work. No place is safe. Before the present
crisis, my wife brought home a particularly vicious 'flu from New
Zealand. It was bad enough; we were both unable to move for a week. :( >>> I have had flu continually for several years.
Do you get vaccinated? If not, why not?
Mind you Australia tends to early on the flu circuit, before the vaccine
has really been properly specified.
It seems the injection had, traditionally, included anti-virus' for the three most widespread strains in the Northern Hemisphere in its previous Winter. Last year, our injection included anti-virus' for the three most widespread strains PLUS the anti-virus for what they expect would be the fourth most widespread strain.
Since then, my nose has been drip .... drip ... dripping!!
So we have to pray that a vaccine is found, or a treatment is found
which reduces the death rate significantly without demanding a lot from
the health care system.
On 4/1/20 4:05 AM, Daniel60 wrote:
Sounds like allergic reactions to me. Not to the influenza vaccine but to common things like cereals, nuts, or dairy products.
Since then, my nose has been drip .... drip ... dripping!!
On 4/1/20 2:13 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:Well it did start in April after his influenza vacccine. Plenty
On 4/1/20 4:05 AM, Daniel60 wrote:
Don't forget that Daniel lives in the southern hemisphere, and so isSounds like allergic reactions to me. Not to the influenza
Since then, my nose has been drip .... drip ... dripping!!
vaccine but to common things like cereals, nuts, or dairy products.
just leaving the summer months. That means he could have been affected
by any number of pollens, even when he's inside.
TJ
On 2/4/20 4:14 am, William Unruh wrote:
So we have to pray that a vaccine is found, or a treatment is found
which reduces the death rate significantly without demanding a lot from
the health care system.
There used to be a TV add run here for a cold and flu capsule called "Codril".
It would show Business /Office workers purposefully striding around to a jingle stating that one should "Take a Codril and soldier on"
As if it were a patriotic duty to continue working and spread the disease.
On 4/1/20 2:59 PM, TJ wrote:
On 4/1/20 2:13 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:Well it did start in April after his influenza vacccine. Plenty
On 4/1/20 4:05 AM, Daniel60 wrote:Don't forget that Daniel lives in the southern hemisphere, and so is
Sounds like allergic reactions to me. Not to the influenza
Since then, my nose has been drip .... drip ... dripping!!
vaccine but to common things like cereals, nuts, or dairy products.
just leaving the summer months. That means he could have been affected
by any number of pollens, even when he's inside.
TJ
of pollen in the offing then so you may be correct. We are already
having lots of pollen in San Francisco and just started April. I had
my influenza vaccine in September.
Still think that speaking of his nose running an Allergy specialist might figure out a medication that will work without
addicting him to the use of it.
bliss
On 2020-04-01, Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On 4/1/20 2:59 PM, TJ wrote:
On 4/1/20 2:13 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:Well it did start in April after his influenza vacccine. Plenty of
On 4/1/20 4:05 AM, Daniel60 wrote:Don't forget that Daniel lives in the southern hemisphere, and so
Sounds like allergic reactions to me. Not to the influenza
Since then, my nose has been drip .... drip ... dripping!!
vaccine but to common things like cereals, nuts, or dairy
products.
is just leaving the summer months. That means he could have been
affected by any number of pollens, even when he's inside.
pollen in the offing then so you may be correct. We are already
having lots of pollen in San Francisco and just started April. I
had my influenza vaccine in September. Still think that speaking of
his nose running an Allergy specialist might figure out a
medication that will work without addicting him to the use of it.
I think now he will have to wait till next season. Doctors are not
seeing people these days.
Yes, many things will change because of covid, incliding many social conventions. It is of course in part because many do not have sick leave provisions, so it costs them a lot not to spread the disease. Just as
testing for covid should be free to the user (it is benefit to the group
not the individual), staying away when sick should be the expected thing
to do and companies should encourage it, not discourage it. I suspect
many will after this.
On 2/4/20 10:26 am, William Unruh wrote:
Yes, many things will change because of covid, incliding many social
conventions. It is of course in part because many do not have sick leave
provisions, so it costs them a lot not to spread the disease. Just as
testing for covid should be free to the user (it is benefit to the group
not the individual), staying away when sick should be the expected thing
to do and companies should encourage it, not discourage it. I suspect
many will after this.
A very good point.
I remember being told off one time when I presented the stay home
argument. I got the counter argument about cost to the individual, etc
A compelling view point but subsequently a bit short sighted. Support
for the sick worker may be more cost effective.
All of this, including the current less than effective response to covid
-19 is possibly another manifestation of Dunning-Kruger syndrome. what isn't?
I tend to avoid the news when possible but we currently have several
cruise (plague) ships off shore demanding entry. This a a great dilemma- what to do?.
Because I'm not an expert, my view would be to leave the ship(s) off
shore and provide supplies for the duration off the disease, After all
the ship is an excellent quarantine medium.
But I suspect that the bleeding heart-political correct types will
prevail and we will have the passengers disembark for humanitarian reasons.
It wont be good
On 2020-04-02, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
A compelling view point but subsequently a bit short sighted.
Support for the sick worker may be more cost effective.
All of this, including the current less than effective response to
covid -19 is possibly another manifestation of Dunning-Kruger
syndrome. what isn't?
Did you not hear your president? It will all be over by Apr 15!
On 03.04.2020 at 03:04, William Unruh scribbled:
On 2020-04-02, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
A compelling view point but subsequently a bit short sighted.
Support for the sick worker may be more cost effective.
All of this, including the current less than effective response to
covid -19 is possibly another manifestation of Dunning-Kruger
syndrome. what isn't?
Did you not hear your president? It will all be over by Apr 15!
Bzzzz! Wrong answer. faeychild is an Australian citizen. Australia
doesn't have a president. It has a queen, and she lives on the other
side of the planet. :p
On 03.04.2020 at 03:04, William Unruh scribbled:
On 2020-04-02, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
A compelling view point but subsequently a bit short sighted.
Support for the sick worker may be more cost effective.
All of this, including the current less than effective response to
covid -19 is possibly another manifestation of Dunning-Kruger
syndrome. what isn't?
Did you not hear your president? It will all be over by Apr 15!
Bzzzz! Wrong answer. faeychild is an Australian citizen. Australia
doesn't have a president. It has a queen, and she lives on the other
side of the planet. :p
On 4/2/20 8:52 PM, Aragorn wrote:
On 03.04.2020 at 03:04, William Unruh scribbled:
On 2020-04-02, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
A compelling view point but subsequently a bit short sighted.
Support for the sick worker may be more cost effective.
All of this, including the current less than effective response to
covid -19 is possibly another manifestation of Dunning-Kruger
syndrome. what isn't?
Did you not hear your president? It will all be over by Apr 15!
Bzzzz! Wrong answer. faeychild is an Australian citizen.
Australia doesn't have a president. It has a queen, and she lives
on the other side of the planet. :p
Besides that the President is notoriously unreliable on
medical matters of any sort besides finding a doctor who will say
just what Trump wants him to sa. I mean his personal physician, no
other.
On 2020-04-03, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> wrote:
On 03.04.2020 at 03:04, William Unruh scribbled:
On 2020-04-02, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
A compelling view point but subsequently a bit short sighted.
Support for the sick worker may be more cost effective.
All of this, including the current less than effective response
to covid -19 is possibly another manifestation of Dunning-Kruger
syndrome. what isn't?
Did you not hear your president? It will all be over by Apr 15!
Bzzzz! Wrong answer. faeychild is an Australian citizen.
Australia doesn't have a president. It has a queen, and she lives
on the other side of the planet. :p
Sorry, I do appologize, but then alter that to "the president"
But the queen of a Commonwealth country is hardly the equivalent of
the a president in any country.
On 02.04.2020 at 21:25, Bobbie Sellers scribbled:
Besides that the President is notoriously unreliable on
medical matters of any sort besides finding a doctor who will say
just what Trump wants him to sa. I mean his personal physician, no
other.
I would say that Trump is notoriously unreliable on just about every
matter. He's a flaming idiot whose only real concern is his ego. A
man like that shouldn't be allowed to run a country. He's dangerous.
On 03.04.2020 at 03:04, William Unruh scribbled:
On 2020-04-02, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
A compelling view point but subsequently a bit short sighted.
Support for the sick worker may be more cost effective.
All of this, including the current less than effective response to
covid -19 is possibly another manifestation of Dunning-Kruger
syndrome. what isn't?
Did you not hear your president? It will all be over by Apr 15!
Bzzzz! Wrong answer. faeychild is an Australian citizen.
On 3/15/20 2:10 PM, faeychild wrote:
On 16/3/20 1:47 am, TJ wrote:Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck agree "people is cwazy"!
There has been panic buying in the stores, for things like fresh
produce, hand sanitizer, and mysteriously, toilet paper. My own
speculation is that people are concerned that they will find
themselves stuck in quarantine, and are buying accordingly.
Yes, very mysteriously, toilet paper. Historically toilet paper is a
recent luxury.
To be blunt, before toilet paper, the procedure was a bowl/bucket of
water and the left hand.
Or a leaf! But I can't really see how successful that could be :-(
Regards
Here in th4 USA in the thrilling yesteryear the Sears
catalog was kept at hand in case we ran our of TP,
Did you not hear your president? It will all be over by Apr 15!
You mean an excellent breeding ground and a laboratory about how many
will die because they receive no medical care. It will provide such a
good forcast of what will happen to whole USA when the hospitals are overwhelmed.
On 03.04.2020 at 03:04, William Unruh scribbled:
On 2020-04-02, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
A compelling view point but subsequently a bit short sighted.
Support for the sick worker may be more cost effective.
All of this, including the current less than effective response to
covid -19 is possibly another manifestation of Dunning-Kruger
syndrome. what isn't?
Did you not hear your president? It will all be over by Apr 15!
Bzzzz! Wrong answer. faeychild is an Australian citizen. Australia
doesn't have a president. It has a queen, and she lives on the other
side of the planet. :p
Whereabouts are you, faeychild?? I'm at Broadford, just south of
Seymour, Vic.
On 3/4/20 9:01 pm, Daniel60 wrote:
Whereabouts are you, faeychild?? I'm at Broadford, just south of
Seymour, Vic.
Big smoke
Melbourne
Eastern suburbs.
No doubt Aragorn's profiles are almost complete
I had a vague theory that William was a Texan, like Bits.
regards
On 3/4/20 2:52 pm, Aragorn wrote:
On 03.04.2020 at 03:04, William Unruh scribbled:
On 2020-04-02, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
A compelling view point but subsequently a bit short sighted.
Support for the sick worker may be more cost effective.
All of this, including the current less than effective response to
covid -19 is possibly another manifestation of Dunning-Kruger
syndrome. what isn't?
Did you not hear your president? It will all be over by Apr 15!
Bzzzz! Wrong answer. faeychild is an Australian citizen.
Australia doesn't have a president. It has a queen, and she lives
on the other side of the planet. :p
Aragorn has been building profiles. :-)
On 04.04.2020 at 09:13, faeychild scribbled:
On 3/4/20 2:52 pm, Aragorn wrote:
On 03.04.2020 at 03:04, William Unruh scribbled:
On 2020-04-02, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
A compelling view point but subsequently a bit short sighted.
Support for the sick worker may be more cost effective.
All of this, including the current less than effective response to
covid -19 is possibly another manifestation of Dunning-Kruger
syndrome. what isn't?
Did you not hear your president? It will all be over by Apr 15!
Bzzzz! Wrong answer. faeychild is an Australian citizen.
Australia doesn't have a president. It has a queen, and she lives
on the other side of the planet. :p
Aragorn has been building profiles. :-)
No, but I have an eidetic memory. It's often harder gor me to forget
about something than to remember it.
It's a blessing and a curse all at the same time.
On 3/4/20 9:01 pm, Daniel60 wrote:
Whereabouts are you, faeychild?? I'm at Broadford, just south of
Seymour, Vic.
Big smoke
Melbourne
Eastern suburbs.
No doubt Aragorn's profiles are almost complete--
I had a vague theory that William was a Texan, like Bits.
regards
On 3/15/20 5:38 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 3/15/20 2:10 PM, faeychild wrote:I put a post on the farm's Facebook page that we still had plentiful supplies of "all natural, biodegradable toilet paper substitute in 50-60 pound packages," with a photo of a couple of wagonloads of the stuff.
On 16/3/20 1:47 am, TJ wrote:Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck agree "people is cwazy"!
There has been panic buying in the stores, for things like fresh
produce, hand sanitizer, and mysteriously, toilet paper. My own
speculation is that people are concerned that they will find
themselves stuck in quarantine, and are buying accordingly.
Yes, very mysteriously, toilet paper. Historically toilet paper is a
recent luxury.
To be blunt, before toilet paper, the procedure was a bowl/bucket of
water and the left hand.
Or a leaf! But I can't really see how successful that could be :-(
Here in th4 USA in the thrilling yesteryear the Sears
catalog was kept at hand in case we ran our of TP, Before
that it was corn cobs and befor4 that a rag on a stick and a
bucket of water. The last goes back to ancient Greece and
Rome. We prefer out modern luxury especially since the flush
toilet replaced the pit or chamberpot for the very well off...
bliss
For you non-farm types, that was bales of grass hay, originally put up
for horse feed. So far, no takers, even though the price is much lower
than that for an equivalent amount of paper product.
TJ wrote on 16/03/2020 10:37 AM:
On 3/15/20 5:38 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 3/15/20 2:10 PM, faeychild wrote:I put a post on the farm's Facebook page that we still had plentiful
On 16/3/20 1:47 am, TJ wrote:Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck agree "people is cwazy"!
There has been panic buying in the stores, for things like fresh
produce, hand sanitizer, and mysteriously, toilet paper. My own
speculation is that people are concerned that they will find
themselves stuck in quarantine, and are buying accordingly.
Yes, very mysteriously, toilet paper. Historically toilet paper is a
recent luxury.
To be blunt, before toilet paper, the procedure was a bowl/bucket of
water and the left hand.
Or a leaf! But I can't really see how successful that could be :-( >>>>
Here in th4 USA in the thrilling yesteryear the Sears
catalog was kept at hand in case we ran our of TP, Before
that it was corn cobs and befor4 that a rag on a stick and a
bucket of water. The last goes back to ancient Greece and
Rome. We prefer out modern luxury especially since the flush
toilet replaced the pit or chamberpot for the very well off...
bliss
supplies of "all natural, biodegradable toilet paper substitute in 50-60
pound packages," with a photo of a couple of wagonloads of the stuff.
For you non-farm types, that was bales of grass hay, originally put up
for horse feed. So far, no takers, even though the price is much lower
than that for an equivalent amount of paper product.
Yeah ... but the processing of it into something useful, in this case,
is a bitch!! ;-P
On 2020-04-04, Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:But you don't flush it - that would be a waste of good fertilizer. You
TJ wrote on 16/03/2020 10:37 AM:
On 3/15/20 5:38 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 3/15/20 2:10 PM, faeychild wrote:I put a post on the farm's Facebook page that we still had plentiful
On 16/3/20 1:47 am, TJ wrote:Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck agree "people is cwazy"!
There has been panic buying in the stores, for things like fresh
produce, hand sanitizer, and mysteriously, toilet paper. My own
speculation is that people are concerned that they will find
themselves stuck in quarantine, and are buying accordingly.
Yes, very mysteriously, toilet paper. Historically toilet paper is a >>>>> recent luxury.
To be blunt, before toilet paper, the procedure was a bowl/bucket of >>>>> water and the left hand.
Or a leaf! But I can't really see how successful that could be :-( >>>>>
Here in th4 USA in the thrilling yesteryear the Sears
catalog was kept at hand in case we ran our of TP, Before
that it was corn cobs and befor4 that a rag on a stick and a
bucket of water. The last goes back to ancient Greece and
Rome. We prefer out modern luxury especially since the flush
toilet replaced the pit or chamberpot for the very well off...
bliss
supplies of "all natural, biodegradable toilet paper substitute in 50-60 >>> pound packages," with a photo of a couple of wagonloads of the stuff.
For you non-farm types, that was bales of grass hay, originally put up
for horse feed. So far, no takers, even though the price is much lower
than that for an equivalent amount of paper product.
Yeah ... but the processing of it into something useful, in this case,
is a bitch!! ;-P
The problem is also that it would play havoc with the sewer system. So
in a few days you would no longer be able to flush it away because all it would do is to go into your basement.
O.K., if you are a Melbourne denizen, might I have seen you at a LUV meeting?? https://luv.asn.au/
Or at VFL Park, in its day??
Aragorn has been building profiles. :-)
No, but I have an eidetic memory. It's often harder gor me to forget
about something than to remember it.
It's a blessing and a curse all at the same time.
No, but I did spend a fair while there over the past couple of years. Canadian.
On 4/3/20 8:08 PM, Aragorn wrote:
On 04.04.2020 at 09:13, faeychild scribbled:One certainly understands.
On 3/4/20 2:52 pm, Aragorn wrote:
On 03.04.2020 at 03:04, William Unruh scribbled:
On 2020-04-02, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
A compelling view point but subsequently a bit short sighted.
Support for the sick worker may be more cost effective.
All of this, including the current less than effective response to >>>>>> covid -19 is possibly another manifestation of Dunning-Kruger
syndrome. what isn't?
Did you not hear your president? It will all be over by Apr 15!
Bzzzz! Wrong answer. faeychild is an Australian citizen.
Australia doesn't have a president. It has a queen, and she lives
on the other side of the planet. :p
Aragorn has been building profiles. :-)
No, but I have an eidetic memory. It's often harder gor me to forget
about something than to remember it.
It's a blessing and a curse all at the same time.
I frequently remember stuff I would rather forget
but it took me 24 hours to remember the word "yukata" for
the informal summer kimono beloved of Rom-Com anime and
manga for the summer season and the fireworks. Too much
un-sortable data rattling around in the main memory banks,
My DSL is working but my phone line is out!
Great nuisance in these days of social isolation.
Some of my local pals are technophobes. They still use
folding cell phones and I cling to my landline.
Back to CV I went to my favorite supermarket and
waited in line too long standing while a cold wind blew
up my back. Next day I was immobilized in bed except
for the necessary painful trips. Better today but only
about 50%. The lines are needed to control the numbers
inside the store at any time. We were waiting on the
side walk in a line a block and a half long.
bliss
For you non-farm types, that was bales of grass hay, originally put up
for horse feed. So far, no takers, even though the price is much lower
than that for an equivalent amount of paper product.
TJ
On 4/4/20 9:26 am, William Unruh wrote:
=20
=20=20
No, but I did spend a fair while there over the past couple of
years. Canadian. =20
I think Moe Trin is Canadian also. Could be wrong though.
I haven't seen his posts for a while; he may not be well.
On 4/4/20 2:08 pm, Aragorn wrote:
Aragorn has been building profiles. :-)
No, but I have an eidetic memory. It's often harder for me to
forget about something than to remember it.
It's a blessing and a curse all at the same time.
Of Course it does make you the ideal spook. If you are looking to
moonlight for the secret services, you are on a winner
On 2020-04-04, Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
For you non-farm types, that was bales of grass hay, originally put up
for horse feed. So far, no takers, even though the price is much lower
than that for an equivalent amount of paper product.
Yeah ... but the processing of it into something useful, in this case,
is a bitch!! ;-P
The problem is also that it would play havoc with the sewer system. So
in a few days you would no longer be able to flush it away because all it would do is to go into your basement.
On 16/3/20 12:08 pm, William Unruh wrote:
YOu never used British toilet paper from as late as the 70's? Newpaper
was softer. It was about the consistancy of the Sears (or Eaton's in
Canada) catelog pages (another staple of the N Am Prarie outhouses).
but much smaller pieces.
grape leaf would be an advance I think.
~
I don't know if it is still available but once upon a time (in my old school) we had flat pack toilet paper with interleaved sheets - like the tissue box arrangement.
One side was quite rough and the others side was polished.
Maybe the polished side was an attempt to mitigate the legacy of the
rough side
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