Over the period of the many years of updates and upgrades, the startup
stanza wave has come and gone.

This morning during the reboot, after the latest update, the shutdown
chord played .
I realized that I hadn't heard that in quiet a while - but it is back.

There is always a disquieting element of erraticness.

My taskbar net-applet has not worked since many updates.
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On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 07:50:29 +1100, faeychild wrote:

Over the period of the many years of updates and upgrades, the startup
stanza wave has come and gone.

This morning during the reboot, after the latest update, the shutdown
chord played .
I realized that I hadn't heard that in quiet a while - but it is back.

There is always a disquieting element of erraticness.

My taskbar net-applet has not worked since many updates.

If nothing else, I would try creating a test account, say junk,
log out of faeychild, into junk and verify it is not a user problem.

On the off chance that you already have a test account, I would either
use mcc to delete/add it again to have a clean test account setup,
or use cli commands or script to reset the test account for testing.

Example script follows:
----------8<----------8<----cut below this line------8<----------8<
#!/bin/bash
#*******************************************************
#* reset_junk - Reset test account to day one settings #*******************************************************

export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin\
:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin

_app=${0##*/}
_exe=$0

_count=0
_tester_uid="junk"
_tester_home=""

_count=$(grep --count ^$_tester_uid: /etc/passwd)

if [ $_count -eq 0 ] ; then
echo "
Fatal error 1 from $_exe
No $_tester_uid in /etc/passwd
"
exit 1
fi

_tester_home="$(grep ^$_tester_uid: /etc/passwd | cut -d: -f6)"

if [ $(id --user --name ) != "root" ] ; then
echo "
Fatal error 2 from $_exe
You must be root to run $_app
"
exit 2
fi

rsync --delete -aAHSXxv /etc/skel/ $_tester_home
chown --recursive $_tester_uid:$_tester_uid $_tester_home

#************** end reset_junk **************************

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On 25/2/20 10:01 am, Bit Twister wrote:

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 07:50:29 +1100, faeychild wrote:

Over the period of the many years of updates and upgrades, the startup
stanza wave has come and gone.

This morning during the reboot, after the latest update, the shutdown
chord played .
I realized that I hadn't heard that in quiet a while - but it is back.

There is always a disquieting element of erraticness.

My taskbar net-applet has not worked since many updates.

If nothing else, I would try creating a test account, say junk,
log out of faeychild, into junk and verify it is not a user problem.

On the off chance that you already have a test account, I would either
use mcc to delete/add it again to have a clean test account setup,
or use cli commands or script to reset the test account for testing.

Example script follows:
----------8<----------8<----cut below this line------8<----------8<

[saved of course]

I didn't think to try junk and forgot again this morning (memory)

Not that it's a problem, just surprising to have it back

I had a quick look in start and shutdown- nothing there.
it's initiated by something.

When the video process is finished I'll switch to junk; it will be there


Can you touch type, Bits??
It's a skill I stupidly never applied myself too


Regards

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On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 13:38:46 +1100, faeychild wrote:

I didn't think to try junk and forgot again this morning (memory)

Hehe, starting early on my US taxes and for last three days I keep
forgetting to call Social Security to get how much they paid me
and medicare deducted for last year.

Just now sent myself an email to call them.


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On 2/25/20 10:58 PM, Bit Twister wrote:

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 13:38:46 +1100, faeychild wrote:

I didn't think to try junk and forgot again this morning (memory)

Hehe, starting early on my US taxes and for last three days I keep
forgetting to call Social Security to get how much they paid me
and medicare deducted for last year.

Just now sent myself an email to call them.

Strange. They sent me a 1099-like form with that information without my asking. It arrived 2-3 weeks ago.

I filed mine and for the farm last week. Needed the information before
March 1 to qualify for a property tax exemption.

TJ

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On 26/2/20 2:58 pm, Bit Twister wrote:

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 13:38:46 +1100, faeychild wrote:

I didn't think to try junk and forgot again this morning (memory)

Hehe, starting early on my US taxes and for last three days I keep
forgetting to call Social Security to get how much they paid me
and medicare deducted for last year.

Just now sent myself an email to call them.

Yep! I am discovering how useful a smart phone is to remind me of stuff,
shopping lists and timers

And I only just remembered "junk" this morning. The shutdown chord is
global. I shall revel in it while it lasts :-)

regards

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Mageia release 7 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-7-x86_64-DVD.iso


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On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:21:51 +1100, faeychild wrote:

On 26/2/20 2:58 pm, Bit Twister wrote:

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 13:38:46 +1100, faeychild wrote:

I didn't think to try junk and forgot again this morning (memory)

Hehe, starting early on my US taxes and for last three days I keep
forgetting to call Social Security to get how much they paid me
and medicare deducted for last year.

Just now sent myself an email to call them.

Yep! I am discovering how useful a smart phone is to remind me of stuff,
shopping lists and timers

And I only just remembered "junk" this morning. The shutdown chord is
global. I shall revel in it while it lasts :-)

Heheheh, but I mentioned junk so you could check if your network icon
problem was a faeychild problem or system wide problem. :)



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On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:21:31 -0500, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mageia,
in article <r36ngt$70e$1@dont-email.me>, TJ wrote:

On 2/25/20 10:58 PM, Bit Twister wrote:

Hehe, starting early on my US taxes and for last three days I keep
forgetting to call Social Security to get how much they paid me
and medicare deducted for last year.

Strange. They sent me a 1099-like form with that information without
my asking. It arrived 2-3 weeks ago.

Yup! Form "SSA 1099" arrived here 11 Jan 2020. Last year, it
arrived 1/18/19.

I filed mine and for the farm last week.

I'm still waiting for a 1099-DIV from an investment house - their
website said they had mailed it on 2/15/20, so I called yesterday
and screamed at them.

Old guy

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On 2/26/20 9:24 PM, Moe Trin wrote:

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:21:31 -0500, in the Usenet newsgroup

alt.os.linux.mageia,

in article <r36ngt$70e$1@dont-email.me>, TJ wrote:

I filed mine and for the farm last week.

I'm still waiting for a 1099-DIV from an investment house - their
website said they had mailed it on 2/15/20, so I called yesterday
and screamed at them.

Old guy

Moe! Good to see you here again! I have missed our conversations.

I was waiting for one of those 1099-DIVs too, but a week before it
arrived I discovered a pdf was available for download. That actually was
the final piece of the puzzle.

TJ

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On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 02:24:58 +0000, Moe Trin wrote:

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:21:31 -0500, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mageia,
in article <r36ngt$70e$1@dont-email.me>, TJ wrote:

On 2/25/20 10:58 PM, Bit Twister wrote:

Hehe, starting early on my US taxes and for last three days I keep
forgetting to call Social Security to get how much they paid me and
medicare deducted for last year.

Strange. They sent me a 1099-like form with that information without my >>asking. It arrived 2-3 weeks ago.

Yup! Form "SSA 1099" arrived here 11 Jan 2020. Last year, it
arrived 1/18/19.

I filed mine and for the farm last week.

I'm still waiting for a 1099-DIV from an investment house - their
website said they had mailed it on 2/15/20, so I called yesterday and screamed at them.

I think most securities and investment houses have your tax documents available on the web. They have to keep records on your accounts in computerized form for internal use, and -- controls on security of data
aside -- it is a simple routine to convert that to tax record form.

I have long refused to accept such records and documents via e-mail or website, for security reasons, but nowdays they put them on a website
whether you will look at them there or not.

As another poster mentioned, Good to you you again!

Cheers!

jim b.

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friendly.

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On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:38:40 -0500, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mageia,
in article <r38gp1$4f8$1@dont-email.me>, TJ wrote:

Moe Trin wrote:

I'm still waiting for a 1099-DIV from an investment house - their
website said they had mailed it on 2/15/20, so I called yesterday
and screamed at them.

Moe! Good to see you here again!

Even though I'm retired, I still lurk here.

I have missed our conversations.

Problem for me - eyesight has gone South.

I was waiting for one of those 1099-DIVs too, but a week before it
arrived I discovered a pdf was available for download. That actually
was the final piece of the puzzle.

I intentionally don't have web accounts. Too many data-breaches
for my taste. Two of my credit-cards have been replaced because
of data-breaches.

Old guy

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On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 14:45:15 -0000 (UTC), in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mageia,
in article <r38klr$3gv$1@dont-email.me>, Jim Beard wrote:

Moe Trin wrote:

I'm still waiting for a 1099-DIV from an investment house - their
website said they had mailed it on 2/15/20, so I called yesterday
and screamed at them.

I think most securities and investment houses have your tax
documents available on the web.

Yup - but like you, I intentionally don't have the (web) logins
needed to access them.

They have to keep records on your accounts in computerized form
for internal use, and -- controls on security of data aside

Bingo

it is a simple routine to convert that to tax record form.

I've got the monthly (paper) statements, but can't match up the
numbers on them with what turns up on the 1099-DIV (and 1099-MISC).

I have long refused to accept such records and documents via e-mail
or website, for security reasons, but nowdays they put them on a
website whether you will look at them there or not.

I'm told that's the case, but you need an account name/number and
for "security" reasons, the number is different from the paper
account numbers.

Old guy

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On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 03:42:28 +0000, Moe Trin wrote:

On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:38:40 -0500, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mageia,
in article <r38gp1$4f8$1@dont-email.me>, TJ wrote:

Moe Trin wrote:

I'm still waiting for a 1099-DIV from an investment house - their
website said they had mailed it on 2/15/20, so I called yesterday and
screamed at them.

Moe! Good to see you here again!

Even though I'm retired, I still lurk here.

I have missed our conversations.

Problem for me - eyesight has gone South.

If the problem is cataracts,several related to me have had the surgery
and it has turned out uniformly superb. Yes, there is always a
possibility of making things worse, but in this case small (need to get information on who does a good job of course, but almost all are good)
and cost is not great even if insurance or health program does not cover.

Glaucoma is a different problem. I cannot address that one, due to
ignorance.

Cheers!

jim b.

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On 2/27/20 10:42 PM, Moe Trin wrote:

On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:38:40 -0500, in the Usenet newsgroup

alt.os.linux.mageia,

in article <r38gp1$4f8$1@dont-email.me>, TJ wrote:

I was waiting for one of those 1099-DIVs too, but a week before it
arrived I discovered a pdf was available for download. That actually
was the final piece of the puzzle.

I intentionally don't have web accounts. Too many data-breaches
for my taste. Two of my credit-cards have been replaced because
of data-breaches.

Old guy

Investment services are provided by my bank, as are my credit cards. The
bank provides an online portal to each from the online banking site. And
like it or not, my bank by necessity knows enough about me to be a
problem if there's a breach. But there I'm stuck. The only alternative
would be stuffing my mattress.

While I got along for years before there was such a thing, online
banking has become almost a necessity now. It's just too convenient to
be able to do my banking without the 15-minute drive to the closest
branch office.

So far, I too have had a credit card replaced twice. Once happened about
ten years ago, the other just last year. No idea where the criminals got
the information. Could have been anywhere I used the card. Or, as the
recent Equifax debacle has exposed, you don't even have to use the card
to have the number stolen.

TJ

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On 27/2/20 12:25 pm, Bit Twister wrote:

Heheheh, but I mentioned junk so you could check if your network icon
problem was a faeychild problem or system wide problem. :)

This morning I remembered to check.

And it's a faeychild child problem. The net_applet in junk has the
right-click menu but, as before with faeychild originally, the Ethernet connection only stays down for about 10 second before restarting.

So with faeychild the lack of right click menu is obviously one of my
config files.


A left click will pop up the network centre so there is access that way.

I could spend some time comparing "junk faechild" network files but it
could be a lot of work for very little return
I have become very "devil-may-care", Bits, and decided the firewall is
to be trusted.
Besides I am backed up.

Regards
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Mageia release 7 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-7-x86_64-DVD.iso


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On 2/28/20 3:54 PM, faeychild wrote:

On 27/2/20 12:25 pm, Bit Twister wrote:

Heheheh, but I mentioned junk so you could check if your network icon
problem was a faeychild problem or system wide problem.  :)

This morning I remembered to check.

And it's a faeychild child problem. The net_applet in junk has the right-click menu but, as before with faeychild originally, the Ethernet connection only stays down for about 10 second before restarting.

So with faeychild the lack of right click menu is obviously one of my
config files.

A left click will pop up the  network centre so there is access that way.

I could spend some time comparing "junk faechild" network files but it
could be a lot of work for very little return
I have become very "devil-may-care", Bits, and decided the firewall is
to be trusted.
Besides I am backed up.

Regards

I never used it much, but now that you mention it, I see that the net
applet on this install doesn't bring up a context (right-click) menu,
either.

TJ

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On 2/29/20 3:15 PM, TJ wrote:

On 2/28/20 3:54 PM, faeychild wrote:

On 27/2/20 12:25 pm, Bit Twister wrote:

Heheheh, but I mentioned junk so you could check if your network icon
problem was a faeychild problem or system wide problem.  :)

This morning I remembered to check.

And it's a faeychild child problem. The net_applet in junk has the
right-click menu but, as before with faeychild originally, the
Ethernet connection only stays down for about 10 second before
restarting.

So with faeychild the lack of right click menu is obviously one of my
config files.


A left click will pop up the  network centre so there is access that way. >>
I could spend some time comparing "junk faechild" network files but it
could be a lot of work for very little return
I have become very "devil-may-care", Bits, and decided the firewall is
to be trusted.
Besides I am backed up.

Regards

I never used it much, but now that you mention it, I see that the net
applet on this install doesn't bring up a context (right-click) menu, either.

TJ

Did some more checking... On my machine, Mr Clunky, the inept user that borrows it from time to time, is also affected. However, another install
on the same hardware that I use for testing purposes is not. Also, I
don't see it on another install on other hardware. That, of course,
means that it will be VERY difficult for the devs to recreate, and fix.

There was a bug filed for this problem against Mageia 6, Bug 22218. I
have updated it with my information, and changed the version to M7. Feel
free to add some comments on your own situation.

TJ

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On 1/3/20 7:15 am, TJ wrote:

I never used it much, but now that you mention it, I see that the net
applet on this install doesn't bring up a context (right-click) menu, either.

TJ

The landscape changes, TJ

regards
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On 1/3/20 8:49 am, TJ wrote:

Did some more checking... On my machine, Mr Clunky, the inept user that borrows it from time to time, is also affected. However, another install
on the same hardware that I use for testing purposes is not. Also, I
don't see it on another install on other hardware. That, of course,
means that it will be VERY difficult for the devs to recreate, and fix.

There was a bug filed for this problem against Mageia 6, Bug 22218. I
have updated it with my information, and changed the version to M7. Feel free to add some comments on your own situation.

TJ

I have on occasion re-installed several times on the same hardware over several days and found that each install was subtly different- which is
not at all logical and I used to wonder if it was my perception failing.

Since that last update I discovered that I could no longer write to my
USB sticks.

ls -la didn't show up anything enlightening
So I re-chowned them - ALL. Now it's fine

I still have difficulty believing it happened.

Regards
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Mageia release 7 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-7-x86_64-DVD.iso


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On Fri, 28 Feb 2020, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mageia, in article <r3b814$ovj$1@dont-email.me>, Jim Beard wrote:

Moe Trin wrote:

Problem for me - eyesight has gone South.

If the problem is cataracts,several related to me have had the
surgery and it has turned out uniformly superb.

Several years ago, I lost partial vision (pixels gone) due to
a brain tumor which crushed the optic nerve. At the time, the
retinalogist warned me that I was susceptible to Macular
Degeneration. There are two versions: dry ("preventable" with
extra vitamins/mineral, but untreatable), and wet (no prevention,
but "controllable" with off-label use of a statin drug every 8
weeks). Result acts like a jig-saw puzzle with many (random)
pieces missing. Plays hell with reading speed.

Glaucoma is a different problem.

Yup, but my pressures are "normal".

Old guy

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On Fri, 28 Feb 2020, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mageia, in article <r3bj22$137$1@dont-email.me>, TJ wrote:

Moe Trin wrote:

I intentionally don't have web accounts. Too many data-breaches
for my taste.

Investment services are provided by my bank, as are my credit cards.

My wife and I have brokerage accounts with the outfits that
provided the service to the companies we worked for.

And like it or not, my bank by necessity knows enough about me to be
a problem if there's a breach.

I've seen some rather gross stupidity in access control, but the
financial trade is hardly the only one with those issues.

without the 15-minute drive to the closest branch office.

One of the banks we use is a two hour plane ride (never mind the
ground times) away. Actually, until ~9 years ago, I had accounts
(banking and credit cards) in Japan and Germany because I would have
business trips often enough to make it worth the (MAJOR) hassle.

No idea where the criminals got the information. Could have been
anywhere I used the card.

That's the usual problem. Think it was two years ago, someone
got remote access to a chain's book-keeping system and inhaled all
credit-card transaction data. "Chip" cards supposedly reduce this
risk, but that assumes you never need to "swipe" the card because
the chip-reader box won't read the chip.

Old guy

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