• Detain the Sick

    From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to All on Mon Jan 4 19:19:45 2021
    The NY State Assembly has proposed a bill that gives the governor the power to detain any person who poses a threat to the health and safety of others.

    Already passed by the ultra-liberal NY state assembly, the bill is now in the posession of the NY state senate for legal approval.

    In a normal state, meaning a state not run by Andrew Cuomo, this bill wouldn't have been approved by a state senate, but in NY, anything is possible.

    Is this how we want states to handle covid? Lock people up for not wearing a mask? I don't approve of it.

    The state senate's website has a comments section, and I tried to comment
    about "the state senate won't advance this bill because it's their job to protect us from unconstitutional advice from the state assembly."

    But whichever very liberal person it is who moderates comments on the state's website removed that comment. It's not what they are selling.

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  • From Flavio Bessa@4:801/188 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Jan 5 13:53:25 2021
    On 04/01/21 16:19, Aaron Thomas -> All wrote:
    The NY State Assembly has proposed a bill that gives the governor the power to
    detain any person who poses a threat to the health and safety of others.

    Already passed by the ultra-liberal NY state assembly, the bill is now
    in the
    posession of the NY state senate for legal approval.

    In a normal state, meaning a state not run by Andrew Cuomo, this bill wouldn't
    have been approved by a state senate, but in NY, anything is possible.


    I don't understand much about the American Constitution, but is it allowed for a citizen to deliberately harm other people and go unpunished?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Flavio Bessa on Tue Jan 5 14:37:16 2021
    I don't understand much about the American Constitution, but is it allowed a citizen to deliberately harm other people and go unpunished?

    This is about citizens who have contracted covid-19, particularly. But how can someone prove that they spread the virus deliberately? People don't always know that they have it.

    Suppose someone test postive for covid:
    They get tested, and the test comes back "positive."
    Then they get a call from a Contact Tracer.
    The contact tracer tells them "Stay home and quarantine!"
    The honest person says "I have to pick up my kid at school!"
    The contact tracer reports the honest person to the state.
    The honest person goes to jail for "being a threat to the health of others."

    No, a citizen can't deliberately harm others & go unpunished, but in this example I showed you, the parent is harming their child's health by going to the school to pick the child up, but they are also harming their child's health if they fail to pick them up from school.

    I'm afraid that contradictions like that are going to hurt families.
    Judges have very simple minds. But the governor will be viewed as a "hero" by the media for his "dedication to protecting the health of NYers."

    They're already calling him a "hero" for ordering nursing homes to allow covid-positive patients to enter their facilities, even if the nursing home doesn't have a means of isolating the infected. To the media, he's "a hero" because he "stood up for the rights of the elderly covid patients," despite the fact that his "heroic" decision led to the deaths of thousands of elderly NYers.

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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Jan 5 17:16:08 2021
    Suppose someone test postive for covid:
    They get tested, and the test comes back "positive."
    Then they get a call from a Contact Tracer.
    The contact tracer tells them "Stay home and quarantine!"
    The honest person says "I have to pick up my kid at school!"
    The contact tracer reports the honest person to the state.

    All of this is fine.

    The honest person goes to jail for "being a threat to the health of others."

    In America, this will never happen.



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Flavio Bessa on Wed Jan 6 17:03:48 2021
    Hello Flavio,

    The NY State Assembly has proposed a bill that gives the governor the >AT>power to
    detain any person who poses a threat to the health and safety of others.

    Already passed by the ultra-liberal NY state assembly, the bill is now >AT>in the
    posession of the NY state senate for legal approval.

    In a normal state, meaning a state not run by Andrew Cuomo, this bill >AT>wouldn't
    have been approved by a state senate, but in NY, anything is possible.


    I don't understand much about the American Constitution, but is it allowed
    for a citizen to deliberately harm other people and go unpunished?

    Yes. In Louisiana we have the castle law. We can shoot somebody
    in cold blood before they enter our house and never get charged with
    a crime. Isn't that cool?

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to paul lee on Wed Jan 6 05:27:17 2021
    The honest person goes to jail for "being a threat to the health of others."

    In America, this will never happen.

    Last year NY began a new policy called "No more spending the night in jail." I think it's ironic that now the governor wants to fill the jails back up, but only with covid-spreaders.

    I hope you're right!

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  • From Flavio Bessa@4:801/188 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Jan 6 17:08:02 2021
    On 06/01/21 12:03, Lee Lofaso -> Flavio Bessa wrote:

    I don't understand much about the American Constitution, but is it
    allowed
    for  a citizen to deliberately harm other people and go unpunished?

    Yes. In Louisiana we have the castle law. We can shoot somebody
    in cold blood before they enter our house and never get charged with
    a crime. Isn't that cool?

    You Americans are really weird.


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  • From Flavio Bessa@4:801/188 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Jan 6 17:55:46 2021
    On 05/01/21 16:37, Aaron Thomas -> Flavio Bessa wrote:

    No, a citizen can't deliberately harm others & go unpunished, but in this example I showed you, the parent is harming their child's health by
    going to
    the school to pick the child up, but they are also harming their child's health if they fail to pick them up from school.


    I got your point - There is a loophole at the contact tracing system.

    That's really a point of great concern that can really entrap a lot of people!

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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Jan 6 19:59:47 2021
    Yes. In Louisiana we have the castle law. We can shoot somebody
    in cold blood before they enter our house and never get charged with
    a crime. Isn't that cool?

    --Lee

    Not attacking you, Lee, but... it isn't 'cool'. Its a right that you have in LA... and in TX, that you should have. And hopefully never have to use. I can't wrap my head around the 'cool' statement, as it would be horrible to have someone bleeding out on my tile floor - I mean... I think I get what yer saying, that its great to have this right.. and I agree. But do challenge you to not be... so shallow in thought about human life.

    The castle law is valid, good and a right. It is never cool, to have to defend your castle against an intruder... but thank God we live in America, where we can when needed.



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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Jan 6 20:02:35 2021
    The honest person goes to jail for "being a threat to the
    health
    others."

    In America, this will never happen.

    Last year NY began a new policy called "No more spending the night in jail." Ithink it's ironic that now the governor wants to fill the jails back up, butonly with covid-spreaders.

    I hope you're right!

    I'm ignorant on a lot of whats happening in the East. And do understand that things are very different across our nation. However, out here on the west coast my words feel true and real.

    Scary times...



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  • From paul lee@1:105/420 to Flavio Bessa on Wed Jan 6 20:07:11 2021
    Yes. In Louisiana we have the castle law. We can shoot somebody
    in cold blood before they enter our house and never get charged with a crime. Isn't that cool?

    You Americans are really weird.

    Not all of us. Freedom does allow for many different types of people to have opinions and actions concerning their freedoms, here.

    Its great that [I believe] that majority are still God-fearing, loving and caring individuals... who don't want to shoot someone because they can. But that freedom enables the ideals of EVERYONE to come to fruition. I'm not speaking of the OP, now, but... in this covid and very divisive time in our nation, it has been a challenge to stand shoulder to shoulder with Americans who have different values than I.



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  • From Flavio Bessa@4:801/188 to paul lee on Thu Jan 7 06:10:19 2021
    On 07/01/21 01:07, paul lee -> Flavio Bessa wrote:

     FB>> You Americans are really weird.

    Not all of us. Freedom does allow for many different types of people to have
    opinions and actions concerning their freedoms, here.

    Please don't take my comment as offensive. I live in Brazil, under a completely
    different reality than you guys, and I sometimes fail to understand your concept of freedom. It's a learning process for me.

    Its great that [I believe] that majority are still God-fearing, loving
    and
    caring individuals... who don't want to shoot someone because they can.
    But
    that freedom enables the ideals of EVERYONE to come to fruition. I'm not speaking of the OP, now, but... in this covid and very divisive time in
    our
    nation, it has been a challenge to stand shoulder to shoulder with Americans
    who have different values than I.

    I couldn't agree more with your statement.


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