• Your tax dollars at work

    From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to All on Fri Nov 29 01:13:31 2019
    If I got my number correct, there are 535 members of Congress, with annual salaries of about $175,000 each. So, about $93,625,000, in one year, is about how much of your tax dollars (if you're from the states) was spent on
    attacking the president. Because, unfortunately, that's about all Congress
    has done in 365 days' time.

    Couldn't that money have been spent more wisely? I guess maybe it just looks like a lot of money to me, because I'm a low-earner. But how about all that time?

    What about the Senate? There are 100 members there, who are waiting for house members to start passing some crap their way. Where's the crap?

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to aaron thomas on Fri Nov 29 12:03:47 2019

    What about the Senate? There are 100 members there, who are waiting for house members to start passing some crap their way. Where's the crap?

    Have you ever considered emigrating to North Korea?

    They revere their leader ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Ward Dossche on Fri Nov 29 12:08:23 2019
    Have you ever considered emigrating to North Korea?

    They revere their leader ...

    Is it not pc to support your leader?

    These representatives aren't doing anything for the liberal agenda, or for
    the USA.

    There's a better way to help the liberal agenda: cooperate with conservatives. Let us protect our borders, and in return we will give foodstamps to people who
    refuse to work. Let us defend our economy, and we'll let you legalize cocaine.

    Is it pc to compromise with people with different points of view in order to get 1/2 of what you want?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Sat Nov 30 07:01:49 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    If I got my number correct, there are 535 members of Congress, with annual >salaries of about $175,000 each. So, about $93,625,000, in one year, is
    about
    how much of your tax dollars (if you're from the states) was spent on >attacking the president. Because, unfortunately, that's about all Congress >has done in 365 days' time.

    Do not believe everything you have been told -

    https://www.truthorfiction.com/democrats-spent-40000000-of-your-tax -dollars-trying-to-impeach-trump-posts/


    How gullible whatever trumpers think the rest of the world is.
    Just make stuff up and everybody else will believe it. What a
    great strategy for fat nixon to have in order to win a second
    term. Good luck with that.

    Do the math. No calculator needed.

    Minus the dead ones, and those without a brain, that number is far
    less than you might think. And likewise the cost. Especially since
    no member of Congress bothers attacking the president, since he is
    in a totally different branch - that branch being his own little
    world.

    Couldn't that money have been spent more wisely?

    What money? None was spent on "attacking the president", as that
    is not a duty among any of them.

    I guess maybe it just looks like a lot of money to me, because I'm a
    low-earner. But how about all that time?

    The Congress does not spend money. It just allocates funds.

    What about the Senate? There are 100 members there, who are waiting for
    house members to start passing some crap their way. Where's the crap?

    Moscow Mitch eats it before anybody else gets the chance.

    --Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Nov 30 01:03:00 2019
    On 11-29-19 01:13, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to All about Your tax dollars at work <=-

    What about the Senate? There are 100 members there, who are waiting
    for house members to start passing some crap their way. Where's the
    crap?

    The crap is in the Senate where they are sitting on the nearly 400 bills
    pasted by the House this year that were sent to the Senate. Mitch
    McConnell has refused to bring those bills to the floor and instead is
    focusing on stuffing the court system with conservative judges.

    So do *NOT* blame the House for any lack of legislation being passed.
    Put the blame where it belongs -- Mitch McConnell.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Dec 1 00:03:30 2019
    Do not believe everything you have been told -

    https://www.truthorfiction.com/democrats-spent-40000000-of-your-tax

    That value looks inflated. I'm just talking about their salaries: What good
    is it doing to pay them all that money while they complain about stuff and
    take no action, besides the president's impeachment?

    less than you might think. And likewise the cost. Especially since
    no member of Congress bothers attacking the president, since he is

    Do you mean to say "No member of Congress has physically assaulted the president?" Because if that's what you mean, then I agree. But they are attacking him tirelessly.

    The Congress does not spend money. It just allocates funds.

    They ARE a waste of money. I think we should let Trump run the legislature as well.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Sun Dec 1 00:05:52 2019
    So do *NOT* blame the House for any lack of legislation being passed.
    Put the blame where it belongs -- Mitch McConnell.

    What's his excuse? Are they a bunch of partisan bills? Ones to protect other countries? What kind of bills is the senate sitting on?

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to aaron thomas on Sun Dec 1 06:45:00 2019
    aaron thomas wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

    Is it not pc to support your leader?

    "Political Correctness is Fascism Pretending to be Manners." - George Carlin

    These representatives aren't doing anything for the liberal agenda, or
    for the USA.

    1. They are not representives anymore since they certainly do not represent the
    will of their constituents (as many moderate Dems are finding out now)
    2. There is no "liberal" agenda. There is only the Far Left agenda - which is no different from any "socialist" dictator's agenda.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Dec 1 06:50:00 2019
    Lee Lofaso wrote to aaron thomas <=-

    What money? None was spent on "attacking the president", as that
    is not a duty among any of them.

    I shouldn't be, but I'm constantly surprised at how ignorant the left is about economics.

    If you work for me and I pay you $$$ to do a job, but you spend your time doing
    something completely different, then I've effectively wasted money for a job I didn't need done. I learned this by the time I was 12.

    BTW: one of my co-workers (or is that cow-orker?) was recently "let go" because
    of exactly this reason.

    The Congress does not spend money. It just allocates funds.

    Tell your power company that you'll allocate their funds instead of sending their money. See how well that works for you.


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Dec 1 23:40:00 2019
    On 12-01-19 00:05, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-


    So do *NOT* blame the House for any lack of legislation being passed.
    Put the blame where it belongs -- Mitch McConnell.

    What's his excuse? Are they a bunch of partisan bills? Ones to protect other countries? What kind of bills is the senate sitting on?

    His excuse is that he will not allow Democrats to do anything, just like
    he refused to let Obama nominate a SCOTUS.

    Take a look for yourself, here is a link, one of many that lists
    specific bills:

    https://www.vox.com/2019/11/29/20977735/how-many-bills-passed-house-democrats-t rump

    Summary from that article:
    House Democrats have passed a wide range of bills since they came to
    power in January, ranging from a sweeping anti-corruption and
    pro-democracy reform known as H.R.1, to bills to save net neutrality,
    pass universal background checks for guns, and reenter the United States
    into the Paris climate accords.

    They have also put a large emphasis on health care, a defining issue of
    the 2018 election after Trump and Senate Republicans attempted to pass a
    bill to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. Democrats have
    focused on bills to lower prescription drug costs, protect preexisting conditions, and condemning the Trump administration's legal battle to
    strike down the ACA in the courts.

    Much of this agenda is sitting in the Senate. There have been a few
    things House Democrats and Senate Republicans have agreed on: disaster
    relief aid, reopening the government after the shutdown, the resolution
    to end US involvement in the Yemen war, a bill to protect public lands,
    and a resolution disapproving of Trump's use of emergency powers.

    And of course one bill that passed both the House and the Senate was
    military aid to Ukraine -- but Trump blocked that for months.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Tue Dec 3 11:43:54 2019
    House Democrats have passed a wide range of bills since they came to

    But that's what I mean; do you want Mitch McConnell to open the Senate up for votes on a bunch of partisan bills?

    pro-democracy reform known as H.R.1, to bills to save net neutrality,
    pass universal background checks for guns, and reenter the United States into the Paris climate accords.

    These all sound partisan to me. Aren't they? Maybe McConnell doesn't think
    it's fair for House Republicans to be muted while opening up the Senate for a partisan takeover?

    I don't know - I'm just guessing. Why else wouldn't he want the Senate to
    vote on this stuff?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Dec 4 02:57:02 2019
    On 12-03-19 11:43, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-


    House Democrats have passed a wide range of bills since they came to

    But that's what I mean; do you want Mitch McConnell to open the Senate
    up for votes on a bunch of partisan bills?

    Why do you say that they are a bunch of partisan bills. Did you even
    look at the list in the link I provided to you?

    pro-democracy reform known as H.R.1, to bills to save net neutrality,
    pass universal background checks for guns, and reenter the United States into the Paris climate accords.

    These all sound partisan to me. Aren't they?

    Why is net neutrality a partisan bill, or background checks (which Trump
    said he supported), or the Paris accords?

    Maybe McConnell doesn't
    think it's fair for House Republicans to be muted while opening up the Senate for a partisan takeover?

    They have not been muted. They have been right there in all of the
    procedings.

    Which of these bills do you consider to be partisan, and why?

    H.R. 986 Protecting Americans with Preexisting Conditions Act of 2019
    H.R. 987 Strengthening Health Care and Lowering Prescription Drug Costs Act H.R. 1520, the Purple Book Continuity Act (bill aimed at lowering the
    cost of prescription drugs)
    H.R. 1503, the Orange Book Transparency Act of 2019 (bill aimed at
    lowering the cost of prescription drugs)
    H.R. 8 Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019
    H.R. 1112 Enhanced Background Checks Act of 2019
    H.R. 1331 Local Water Protection Act
    S. 47 National Resources Management Act
    H.R. 2578 National Flood Insurance Program Extension Act of 2019
    H.R. 205, 1146, 1941 Banning Offshore Drilling on Atlantic, Pacific,
    Eastern Gulf and ANWR Coasts
    H.R. 840 Veterans' Access to Child Care Act
    H.J. Res. 37 Directing the removal of United States Armed Forces from
    hostilities in the Republic of Yemen that have not been
    authorized by Congress
    H.R. 1585 Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2019
    H.R. 987 Raise the Wage Act
    H.R. 1500 Consumers First Act
    H.R. 1994 SECURE Act/Gold Star Family Tax Relief Act
    H.R. 2722 Securing America's Federal Elections (SAFE) Act
    H.R. 4617 Stopping Harmful Interference in Elections for a Lasting
    Democracy (SHIELD) Act
    H.R. 1644 Save the Internet Act of 2019
    H.R. 2157 Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2019
    H.R. 397 Rehabilitation for Multiemployer Pensions Act (The Butch Lewis Act) H.R. 251 Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standards Program Extension Act S.24 Government Employee Fair Treatment Act of 2019
    H.R. 2480 Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act

    I don't know - I'm just guessing. Why else wouldn't he want the Senate
    to vote on this stuff?

    Because he does not want to allow the Democratic controlled House to be
    allowed to do anything, just as he did not want the Democratic President
    to be allowed to perform one of his most important Constitutional duties
    of naming a SCOTUS for confirmation.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Wed Dec 4 16:23:09 2019
    Why is net neutrality a partisan bill, or background checks (which Trump said he supported), or the Paris accords?

    The Paris accords seems partisan. I can predict a bad outcome for senate Republicans voting against it. But, what your saying about O'Connell doesn't sound good on his part. I don't like that sort of manipulation, if that's what's happening.

    H.R. 987 Raise the Wage Act

    Some of these seem highly Democratic (above - flooding the economy with cash that represents gold that doesn't exist), while some seem highly
    Republican (below - Republicans are typically against child-abuse)

    H.R. 2480 Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act

    But I sure hope that what you're saying isn't true; it would annoy me to
    think that McConnell is stooping to the Democrats' level by abusing power. A tit for tat - as appealing as it sorta sounds, it's not good for business.

    Cooperation/Compromise is the best way to get things done - but how do we
    stop a childish tradition that we've all grown so fond of?

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to RON LAUZON on Wed Dec 4 23:01:00 2019
    On 12-01-19, RON LAUZON said to LEE LOFASO:

    Lee Lofaso wrote to aaron thomas <=-


    What money? None was spent on "attacking the president", as that
    is not a duty among any of them.


    Beg to differ. `None was spent on attacking the president' isn't exactly
    true.


    I shouldn't be, but I'm constantly surprised at how ignorant the left is RL>about economics.


    Consider a few things:


    1; Shiff's `whistleblower'? He is said to be `Eric Ciaramella'. It was revealed that Adam Shiff hired a former National Security Council who worked with this `whistleblower at the NSC during both the Obama AND Trump admins.
    (It gets better) Shiff hired this guy the day AFTER the the phone call between Trump and the Ukraine president they're so focused on. The report goes on to say the guy Shiff hired, Sean Misko, and the `whistleblower', Ciaramella, were buddies.

    Records show his hire date by the Shiff team was officially listed as July 26.


    2. There are many good reasons why the democrats want to keep this `impeachment' thing uppermost in the minds of the American public.
    One is the involvement of Hunter Biden with the board of the Ukraine
    company being investigated that Joe Biden got an investigation stopped
    under threat of withholding a billion dfollars in aid. BTW...a former
    Polish president recently made a statement on that subject. I have it here somewhere.....yeah...here it is; This guy (former Polish president) became a member of Burisma's board around the time Hunter Biden did. He has stated that both he and Hunter Biden were hired due to the influence their names would bring to Burisma.


    (It gets better...gotta look something up) Here it is;

    A company co-founded by Nancy Pelosi's son that was charged with securities fraud in 2014, was also connected to Ukraine in 2017.


    And another little `gem' the democrats are also trying to keep real quiet about;


    The husband of democrat Debbie MucarselhyphenPowell pocketed around $700,000 from a Ukraine Oligarch `Thor Kolomoisky; who has been accused of several `contract' killings.


    Stay tuned!









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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Dec 4 23:38:00 2019
    On 12-03-19, AARON THOMAS said to DALE SHIPP:

    House Democrats have passed a wide range of bills since they came to


    But that's what I mean; do you want Mitch McConnell to open the Senate up AT>for votes on a bunch of partisan bills?


    Any time a leftie whines about `those terrible republicans' won't allow votes...a real good policy is always take a hard look at `what' sort of bills they're refering to.


    pro-democracy reform known as H.R.1, to bills to save net neutrality,
    pass universal background checks for guns, and reenter the United States into the Paris climate accords.


    Shipp refers to H.R.1 in the usual leftist democrat high-falutin' way they
    have of giving bills that will probably pass more government control, and a sneaky reduction of citizens' rights, into law.


    A glance at this bill reveals its' title as `HR-1 For the People Act of 2019'!



    House-House Administration; Intelligence Permanent); Judiciary; Oversight and Reform; Science, Space, and Technology; Education and Labor; Ways and Means; Financial Services; Ethics; and Homeland Security.....


    Just a glance through the first parts of it I already find excellent reasons for it not to pass;


    Here's just a few problems:


    Right at the beginning of it under the softie-sounding title:



    Sect. 1000


    Subtitle A Voter Registration Modernization


    Under that They list;


    Requiring availability of Internet for voter registration. (That alone opens
    up voter registration to fraudulent non-citizen voting; a democrat staple)


    Use of Internet to `update' registration info


    And it goes on with a whole list of democrat `goodies' ....


    These all sound partisan to me. Aren't they? Maybe McConnell doesn't think AT>it's fair for House Republicans to be muted while opening up the Senate AT>for a partisan takeover?


    I don't know - I'm just guessing. Why else wouldn't he want the Senate to AT>vote on this stuff?


    Most of it is all slanted toward illegal voter registration and thats just the first several paragraphs! I'll look through it over the next few days.


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Dec 4 23:45:00 2019
    On 12-04-19, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

    On 12-03-19 11:43, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-


    House Democrats have passed a wide range of bills since they came to


    Which of these bills do you consider to be partisan, and why?


    Just a glance through this list is scary.


    I see several things in there that are democrat pet peeves...and make no mistake; if all that were to get passed and signed into law, it woulod open up far too much to abuse and suppression of individual rights. All it takes is
    the right leftie federal court judge.

    H.R. 986 Protecting Americans with Preexisting Conditions Act of 2019 DS>H.R. 987 Strengthening Health Care and Lowering Prescription Drug Costs DS>Act H.R. 1520, the Purple Book Continuity Act (bill aimed at lowering the DS>cost of prescription drugs)
    H.R. 1503, the Orange Book Transparency Act of 2019 (bill aimed at DS>lowering the cost of prescription drugs)
    H.R. 8 Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019
    H.R. 1112 Enhanced Background Checks Act of 2019
    H.R. 1331 Local Water Protection Act
    S. 47 National Resources Management Act
    H.R. 2578 National Flood Insurance Program Extension Act of 2019
    H.R. 205, 1146, 1941 Banning Offshore Drilling on Atlantic, Pacific, DS>Eastern Gulf and ANWR Coasts
    H.R. 840 Veterans' Access to Child Care Act
    H.J. Res. 37 Directing the removal of United States Armed Forces from DS>hostilities in the Republic of Yemen that have not been
    authorized by Congress
    H.R. 1585 Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2019
    H.R. 987 Raise the Wage Act
    H.R. 1500 Consumers First Act
    H.R. 1994 SECURE Act/Gold Star Family Tax Relief Act
    H.R. 2722 Securing America's Federal Elections (SAFE) Act
    H.R. 4617 Stopping Harmful Interference in Elections for a Lasting DS>Democracy (SHIELD) Act
    H.R. 1644 Save the Internet Act of 2019
    H.R. 2157 Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2019
    H.R. 397 Rehabilitation for Multiemployer Pensions Act (The Butch Lewis DS>Act) H.R. 251 Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standards Program DS>Extension Act S.24 Government Employee Fair Treatment Act of 2019
    H.R. 2480 Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act





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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to TIM RICHARDSON on Thu Dec 5 10:02:35 2019
    Just a glance through the first parts of it I already find excellent reasons for it not to pass;

    But even if they are unlikely to pass, what's wrong with taking a vote on
    them, to get them out of the way?

    Requiring availability of Internet for voter registration. (That alone opens up voter registration to fraudulent non-citizen voting; a democrat staple)

    I can't speak for all Republican voters, but I have experienced bigger voting issues than people not being able to register. I haven't read all the details about "Subtitle A Voter Registration Modernization," but just the sound of it bothers me when there voter manipulation strategies being implemented by
    local Democrats in my town. How about a bill called "Republican voters don't get the runaround while trying to vote on election day?"

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Tim Richardson on Fri Dec 6 02:31:02 2019
    On 12-04-19 23:38, Tim Richardson <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

    I will admit that some of those 400 bills might be considered partison
    in nature, but more than half of them passed the house with bipartison
    support. There is no reason that McConnell should not allow them to
    get voted on -- maybe they would pass, maybe they would not -- but at
    least stop tucking them into his desk drawer.

    Most of it is all slanted toward illegal voter registration and thats
    just the first several paragraphs! I'll look through it over the next
    few days.

    Much of what you call illegal voter registration, I would call
    prevention of illegal prevention of people from voting.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Fri Dec 6 20:08:20 2019
    Hello Dale,

    I will admit that some of those 400 bills might be considered partison
    in nature, but more than half of them passed the house with bipartison >support. There is no reason that McConnell should not allow them to
    get voted on -- maybe they would pass, maybe they would not -- but at
    least stop tucking them into his desk drawer.

    Due to the filibuster rule having been put to rest, Moscow Mitch
    has become the "kingmaker" who gets to decide what gets to be voted
    on. A majority of one. Nobody else counts.

    Most of it is all slanted toward illegal voter registration and thats >TR>just the first several paragraphs! I'll look through it over the next >TR>few days.

    Much of what you call illegal voter registration, I would call
    prevention of illegal prevention of people from voting.

    Due to recent decisions of the USSC such acts are no longer illegal. Gerrymandering and voter suppression are very much part of the game,
    and will remain so in the foreseable future. However, an old relic
    from the Obama administration is giving folks hope they can believe
    in -

    https://democraticredistricting.com/about/

    That's right. Former AG Eric Holder is putting it all together ...

    --Lee

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Fri Dec 6 20:56:26 2019
    Much of what you call illegal voter registration, I would call
    prevention of illegal prevention of people from voting.

    I hate it when people prevent others from voting, but how can I trust
    Democrats to protect me from that when they manipulate traffic on election
    day? Then when registered Republicans finally make it to the polling station, they get denied by polling officials who claim they can't find me on the list?

    ..then we have elected officials at the federal level drafting bills to
    protect against something that shouldn't be happening in the first place??

    We're not football teams; we're citizens with different political points of view. We shouldn't be tackling each other.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Dec 7 00:52:02 2019
    On 12-06-19 20:08, Lee Lofaso <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Your tax dollars at <=-


    No quotes. But just to say that every once in a while you actually post something factual and truthful. Thanks.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sat Dec 7 08:09:36 2019
    On 06 Dec 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...
    On 06 Dec 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 12-04-19 23:38, Tim Richardson <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

    I will admit that some of those 400 bills might be considered partison
    in nature, but more than half of them passed the house with bipartison support. There is no reason that McConnell should not allow them to
    get voted on -- maybe they would pass, maybe they would not -- but at least stop tucking them into his desk drawer.

    Maybe more would get done for Our United States of America, if the DEMS would join the Republicans and the President and get things for America, instead of standing in his way trying to obstruct him because they often are seen
    seething in hate, with stupid investigations and impeachment inquiries, and
    now full articles of impeachment.
    They own this now and it will be their undoing.

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  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to aaron thomas on Sat Dec 7 21:06:08 2019
    On 06 Dec 2019, aaron thomas said the following...

    I hate it when people prevent others from voting, but how can I trust Democrats to protect me from that when they manipulate traffic on

    Living in a rural area with maybe 100 people who vote in the city elections
    and maybe 3-400 from county who vote in our polling place I've seen some
    nasty shit from both Dems and Republicans. Goes both ways unfortunately.

    We're not football teams; we're citizens with different political points of view. We shouldn't be tackling each other.

    ^
    ^
    This! Most definitely.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Dec 9 02:21:20 2019
    Hello Greg,

    I will admit that some of those 400 bills might be considered partison >DS>in nature, but more than half of them passed the house with bipartison >DS>support. There is no reason that McConnell should not allow them to >DS>get voted on -- maybe they would pass, maybe they would not -- but at >DS>least stop tucking them into his desk drawer.

    Maybe more would get done for Our United States of America, if the DEMS
    would
    join the Republicans and the President and get things for America, instead
    of
    standing in his way trying to obstruct him because they often are seen >seething in hate, with stupid investigations and impeachment inquiries, and >now full articles of impeachment.

    In which case, why have a Congress? Or a Supreme Court?
    We can just have a monarchy. Or a dictatorship. Just like
    what the Russians have with Vladimir Putin. Wouldn't that
    be fun? With Putin calling the shots, and Trump carrying out
    his orders, nobody will question a thing either of them says.

    They own this now and it will be their undoing.

    Democrats and independents are doing their constitutional duty.
    Republicans have yet to do theirs.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Dec 8 19:56:25 2019
    On 09 Dec 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    In which case, why have a Congress? Or a Supreme Court?
    We can just have a monarchy. Or a dictatorship.

    Don't need absolute power, you're carrying it extremes to prove a shallow point. Which in turn proves mine. The dems can't find the common good in working together to benefit it's people. What is so evil about new airports and
    bridges and working together on infrastructure for the American people?

    They are some piece of work, the American people can see what they have been doing and what they have become. They will be sorry, come election time.
    They are destroying their political futures, because getting Trump means more to them then serving the people who put them there to get things done of which never involved standing in the way of progress.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Dec 8 14:16:47 2019
    Maybe more would get done for Our United States of America, if the DEMS would join the Republicans and the President and get things for America, instead of standing in his way trying to obstruct him because they often

    If the Democrats didn't work so hard to make the president look bad, they
    would succeed more. Democrats offer some policies that can be beneficial dfor all Americans (climate, public-assistace,) and if they would bend on some things, the Republicans would bend on others. Or, they don't even have to
    bend; they could compromise, and help each other get at least 1/2 of what they want.

    There are personal politics that these officials must be facing. Could you imagine how it would be if Congress compromised with Trump on stuff? I think
    it would ultimately be a very good thing, however, to get that started, somebody has to break the ice, and risk attacks from other Democrats for compromising with "hardcore conservatives," as they will refer.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Richard Miles on Sun Dec 8 14:29:20 2019
    Living in a rural area with maybe 100 people who vote in the city elections and maybe 3-400 from county who vote in our polling place I've seen some nasty shit from both Dems and Republicans. Goes both ways unfortunately.

    I believe it. I lived in a bigger city for several years, and never had any voting issues there despite me being a registered Republican in a Democrat city. Now I'm in a smaller Democrat city, and I experienced the manipulation.

    It disgusted me. And I can easily believe that some Republicans do this to registered Democrat voters in other towns. There's no comfort in knowing that votes can be manipulated, but if Democrats in my town want to complain about voter problems, they need to cry to someone else.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Dec 8 22:55:14 2019
    Democrats and independents are doing their constitutional duty. Republicans have yet to do theirs.

    Were Republicans doing a smart thing with the Clinton impeachment? Because he lied under oath? What was that supposed to accomplish? Maybe cost him his 2nd term? What did anyone learn about that? That it doesn't work?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Dec 9 01:30:00 2019
    On 12-08-19 19:56, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

    What is so evil about new airports and
    bridges and working together on infrastructure for the American
    people?

    Nothing at all. That is one of the things that Trump promised. How did
    that go? Either now, or when he controlled both houses of Congress?
    Has he or the Republican introduced any such bills? I really don't know
    and would like to find out if they did and if so, what happened to them.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to aaron thomas on Mon Dec 9 07:01:37 2019
    On 08 Dec 2019, aaron thomas said the following...

    Maybe more would get done for Our United States of America, if the
    DE
    would join the Republicans and the President and get things for
    Ameri
    instead of standing in his way trying to obstruct him because they
    of

    If the Democrats didn't work so hard to make the president look bad, they would succeed more. Democrats offer some policies that can be beneficial dfor all Americans (climate, public-assistace,) and if they would bend
    on some things, the Republicans would bend on others. Or, they don't
    even have to bend; they could compromise, and help each other get at
    least 1/2 of what they want.

    The President did call Nancy and Chuck into the office to work on infrastructure.(Remember) Nancy sat there smug, because Nancy had just came from one of the first meetings involving laying the cornerstone 4 impeachment.

    That's like planning your wedding day, but previously visiting the lawyer to making sure that the divorce papers are ready to go, if you should need them.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Mon Dec 9 07:13:56 2019
    On 09 Dec 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 12-08-19 19:56, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

    What is so evil about new airports and
    bridges and working together on infrastructure for the American people?

    Nothing at all. That is one of the things that Trump promised. How did that go? Either now, or when he controlled both houses of Congress?
    Has he or the Republican introduced any such bills? I really don't know and would like to find out if they did and if so, what happened to them.

    The problem is obstruction with the Democratic Party remember Nancy and
    Chuck, Nancy looking smug, and motionless. Chuck acting like crime boss shaking his finger. Show a bit of restraint man; your in the presence of the President. Not Chuck's fault really as he just got with a all nighter binge watching the DVD set of "The Sopranos."

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Dec 10 01:26:04 2019
    On 12-08-19 14:16, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-


    If the Democrats didn't work so hard to make the president look bad,
    they would succeed more.

    They don't have to work to make Trump look bad, he does that all by
    himself.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tue Dec 10 07:28:23 2019
    On 10 Dec 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 12-08-19 14:16, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-


    If the Democrats didn't work so hard to make the president look bad, they would succeed more.

    They don't have to work to make Trump look bad, he does that all by himself.

    Look at the map "county by county" across this Great Land that is the United States of America of the results of how it's people voted in the 2016
    election.

    There is more red on that map then Verizon. Can you hear me now? Good!

    The real problem here is you're not giving credit where credit is due. Unemployment down to a 50 year low, Stock Market $mashing records over and over. I could go on and on but you wouldn't be interested in any of that.
    What a dismal existence it must be to be a democrat not to see that Donald Trump is the best President since Lincoln.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Dec 10 10:31:25 2019
    That's like planning your wedding day, but previously visiting the
    lawyer to making sure that the divorce papers are ready to go, if you should need them.

    I remember the imagery: Chuck Schumer had a smug look on his face too. But by not making any deal with the president, they both succeeded in delivering the message to voters: "We don't agree with the president on anything - so it's
    PC to vote for us." Robert Deniro read them loud and clear.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Dec 10 17:47:00 2019
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    They are some piece of work, the American people can see what they have been doing and what they have become. They will be sorry, come election time. They are destroying their political futures, because getting
    Trump means more to them then serving the people who put them there to
    get things done of which never involved standing in the way of
    progress.

    The Dems are already sorry.

    Trump was polling behind Biden, but after the Impeachment Show, Trump is polling above all the Dems in all the swing states now.

    And keep in mind that the polls are usually left-slanted, so if Trump is polling "above" that means he is polling so high that no matter how much the Left slants things, Trump comes out ahead.

    Now if we can only get an investigation into the Biden quid pro quo when he was
    in office.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dale Shipp on Tue Dec 10 17:50:00 2019
    Dale Shipp wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

    They don't have to work to make Trump look bad, he does that all by himself.

    The vast majority of Americans who are taking advantage of the stock market being up (for those of us with 401K plans and such) and record unemployment would have to disagree.

    Trump's looking pretty good. Far better than any Democrat in my memory.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to aaron thomas on Tue Dec 10 18:29:17 2019
    On 10 Dec 2019, aaron thomas said the following...

    That's like planning your wedding day, but previously visiting the lawyer to making sure that the divorce papers are ready to go, if
    you
    should need them.

    I remember the imagery: Chuck Schumer had a smug look on his face too.
    But by not making any deal with the president, they both succeeded in delivering the message to voters: "We don't agree with the president on anything - so it's PC to vote for us." Robert Deniro read them loud and clear.

    I really hope Mr. De Niro has plenty of those little marshmallows that you put in Hot Chocolate on Monday January 20th 2020. He's going to need them.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Ron Lauzon on Tue Dec 10 18:55:19 2019
    On 10 Dec 2019, Ron Lauzon said the following...

    Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    They are some piece of work, the American people can see what they
    ha
    been doing and what they have become. They will be sorry, come
    electi
    time. They are destroying their political futures, because getting Trump means more to them then serving the people who put them there get things done of which never involved standing in the way of progress.

    The Dems are already sorry.

    Trump was polling behind Biden, but after the Impeachment Show, Trump is polling above all the Dems in all the swing states now.

    And keep in mind that the polls are usually left-slanted, so if Trump is polling "above" that means he is polling so high that no matter how much the Left slants things, Trump comes out ahead.

    Now if we can only get an investigation into the Biden quid pro quo when he was in office.

    The quid pro quo Joe Show - will be a no show, or he run for cover as he
    may drop out of the race.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Tue Dec 10 23:21:27 2019
    If the Democrats didn't work so hard to make the president look bad, they would succeed more.

    They don't have to work to make Trump look bad, he does that all by himself.

    Through the eyes of who?

    When Republicans have issues with Trump, they toss them right in his face.
    But I don't see any Republicans pushing the impeachment over these frivolous things that are being blown out of proportion "Trump's a threat to the constitution." Who's the group that's asking for medicare for the entire
    world? The group that wants to disarm America? The group that's pushing for prison reform? That would be the group that's a threat to the constitution.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Dec 10 23:23:31 2019
    that Donald Trump is the best President since Lincoln.

    Don't expect Democrats to think highly of a guy who opposed slavery.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Dec 11 01:56:02 2019
    On 12-10-19 07:28, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

    Look at the map "county by county" across this Great Land that is the United States of America of the results of how it's people voted in the 2016 election.
    There is more red on that map then Verizon. Can you hear me now? Good!

    Many of those counties have orders of magnitude fewer people than are in
    many American cities. We do not vote by counties.

    The real problem here is you're not giving credit where credit is due. Unemployment down to a 50 year low, Stock Market $mashing records over
    and over. I could go on and on but you wouldn't be interested in any
    of that. What a dismal existence it must be to be a democrat not to see that Donald Trump is the best President since Lincoln.

    Please tell us all what it is that Trump has done to lower the
    unemployment rate?

    Ditto about the stock market (and how much that matters to most of
    America)?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to aaron thomas on Wed Dec 11 06:49:06 2019
    On 10 Dec 2019, aaron thomas said the following...

    that Donald Trump is the best President since Lincoln.

    Don't expect Democrats to think highly of a guy who opposed slavery.

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    Right, they have many skeletons opposing Lincoln led to war. Within the Trump Era they have become opposite what they have been known for many years. "The working mans party." From where I see things they have been beating the drums of Socialism, Marxism and Communism.

    https://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wed Dec 11 07:03:07 2019
    On 11 Dec 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 12-10-19 07:28, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

    Look at the map "county by county" across this Great Land that is
    the
    United States of America of the results of how it's people voted in 2016 election.
    There is more red on that map then Verizon. Can you hear me now?
    Good

    Many of those counties have orders of magnitude fewer people than are in many American cities. We do not vote by counties.

    The real problem here is you're not giving credit where credit is
    due
    Unemployment down to a 50 year low, Stock Market $mashing records
    ove
    and over. I could go on and on but you wouldn't be interested in
    any
    of that. What a dismal existence it must be to be a democrat not to that Donald Trump is the best President since Lincoln.

    Please tell us all what it is that Trump has done to lower the unemployment rate?

    Ditto about the stock market (and how much that matters to most of America)?

    An Easy task, not at all a challenge, just right at this moment, it is a time restraint, the time now is 6:55 AM Wednesday December 12th.

    Duty calls (work mode)

    You can be assured (upon returning home) I will provide all the information you
    asked for. I would go and get your bib on, it's going to be a lot to consume (to call on a a phrase) "It gonna be Yuge!"

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wed Dec 11 19:50:21 2019
    On 11 Dec 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Please tell us all what it is that Trump has done to lower the unemployment rate?


    As promised here ya go.

    "African American unemployment is the lowest ever recorded in our country.
    The Hispanic unemployment rate dropped a full point in the
    last year and is close to the lowest in recorded history. Dems did nothing
    for you but get your vote!"

    The strength of the labor market in 2018 also was widespread, affecting
    people of all backgrounds and education levels throughout the
    nation. Over the course of the year, multiple new records for low
    unemployment rates within demographic groups were set. In December 2018,
    the unemployment rate for Hispanics fell to a series low (4.4 percent), matching October 2018. Record low unemployment rates were also
    achieved this year for African Americans (5.9 percent in May), Asians (2.2 percent in May), and individuals with less than a high school
    degree (5.0 percent in July). In November 2018, the unemployment rate for
    teens (ages 16 to 19) was at its lowest rate since 1969.
    The November 2018 unemployment rate for individuals with a high school degree but no college fell to its lowest rate since 2000, while the October 2018 unemployment rate for individuals with some college education dropped to its lowest rate since 2001.

    Stock Market under Trump Everyone is impressed with the performance of the stock market under President Trump's especially Trump. Stocks have risen in nine of the first ten months of the Trump Administration, a record that no other U.S. president can match. That goes back to President William McKinley
    in 1897; before 1896 there were no stock indices.

    Stock market's value under Trump has grown by $6.9 trillion to $30.6
    trillion. The stock market has added $6.9 trillion in market cap since Donald Trump was elected president. That is already nearly half of what the market grew by in all eight years of the Obama administration.

    The continued low unemployment rate and the consistent employment gains of
    more than 100,000 jobs every month in 2018 demonstrate the effectiveness of the
    Administration's economic policies. As workers continue to come off the sidelines, there also remain opportunities for sustained employment growth as we enter the new year.

    Since the day he took office a year ago, President Donald Trump has been the subject of relentless media attacks. He's been targeted with negative media coverage like no president in recent history, even as the stock market soars and thousands of new jobs are created. Which begs the question? why exactly does the media hate Trump? The easy answer is that the mainstream media is dominated by liberal reporters who were desperate to see Trump's rival,
    Hillary Clinton, win the presidency. But the whole truth is a lot more complicated.

    The fact is, mainstream media outlets know they created Trump they just never expected (or wanted) him to become president. And now the media is doing everything it can to try to undermine Trump's presidency. The numbers don't lie. The same media that rails against Trump now did everything it could to ensure he became the Republican candidate for president. At the start of the Republican primaries in February 2016, there were 17 different candidates seeking the party's nomination. The collection of candidates was difficult to sort through and it was hard for most candidates to get any national traction. But the media found a candidate it wanted to advance in Trump. From February until the primaries ended in June, Trump got media coverage with an estimated value of $55 million, according to a Harvard study. The next closest
    candidate, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, got $19 million less in coverage. And despite what's happening now, the coverage of Trump at the time was not negative.

    The Harvard study found that 63 percent of coverage from the New York Times
    and 74 percent of the coverage from USA Today was either positive or neutral. So did the mainstream media actually want Trump to be president?
    No way. Media outlets knew Trump's bombastic personality was good for ratings and helped sell newspapers and they took full advantage. But they never thought
    Trump would win and perhaps they even thought, because of his limited political
    experience, he'd be an easier candidate for Clinton.

    But once Trump and Clinton locked up their nominations, the media turned on Trump fast. The same media outlets that helped get Trump nominated railed against his speeches and debate performances, and even dredged up old issues from his private life (which they ignored during the primaries).
    The media did everything in its power to ensure Trump would lose and the negative coverage continues to this day. Reports show that the coverage of Trump's first year in office has been three times more negative than what his predecessor Barack Obama received.

    What we're seeing is not fair and honest reporting. We're seeing a case of buyer's remorse from a media that still can't come to terms with the fact that Trump won. The media knows it helped Trump win the Republican nomination and gave him a platform that he used powerfully to win the presidency. The media thought Trump was fun that he wasn't serious and that it could take him down and ruin him whenever it wanted. But the media was wrong and it hates being wrong. That's why the media hates Trump. Because he outsmarted the media at
    its own games. By the time reporters realized they'd been outfoxed, Trump had an army of millions of patriotic supporters behind him. And try as they might, mainstream media outlets can't undo that.




















    Ditto about the stock market (and how much that matters to most of America)?

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Dec 12 02:00:00 2019
    On 12-10-19 23:21, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-


    If the Democrats didn't work so hard to make the president look bad, they would succeed more.

    They don't have to work to make Trump look bad, he does that all by himself.

    Through the eyes of who?

    Through the eyes of anyone with an independent and unbiased mind.

    When Republicans have issues with Trump, they toss them right in his
    face.

    When has that happened?

    But I don't see any Republicans pushing the impeachment over
    these frivolous things that are being blown out of proportion "Trump's
    a threat to the constitution."

    Trump has denied the role of Congress to be an independent body by
    refusing to allow anyone in the Whitehouse staff to submit to a Supena
    from Congress. What is he so afraid of? His actions have been anything
    but frivolous. They harmed an ally and aided an adversary.

    Who's the group that's asking for
    medicare for the entire world?

    Some of the Democrat candidates, but not all, are pushing for an
    immediate medicare for all *IN AMERICA*, but none are asking for it for
    the entire world. Where did you get that idea?

    The group that wants to disarm America?

    No one wants to do that, despite what you might think in some conspiracy theory.

    The group that's pushing for prison reform?

    Prison reform has been an agenda item for both parties for a long time.

    That would be the group
    that's a threat to the constitution.

    None of the things you mentioned are any threat to the Constitution.
    OTOH, a President who openly admits to breaking Federal law comes as
    close as one can get.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Dec 12 01:49:04 2019
    On 12-11-19 19:50, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

    Please tell us all what it is that Trump has done to lower the unemployment rate?

    As promised here ya go.

    "African American unemployment is the lowest ever recorded in our
    country. The Hispanic unemployment rate dropped a full point in the
    last year and is close to the lowest in recorded history. Dems did
    nothing for you but get your vote!"

    It happened, but what are the policies or laws enacted by Trump that
    caused that to happen.

    The strength of the labor market in 2018 also was widespread,
    affecting people of all backgrounds and education levels throughout the nation. Over the course of the year, multiple new records for low unemployment rates within demographic groups were set. In December
    2018, the unemployment rate for Hispanics fell to a series low (4.4 percent), matching October 2018. Record low unemployment rates were
    also achieved this year for African Americans (5.9 percent in May), Asians (2.2 percent in May), and individuals with less than a high
    school degree (5.0 percent in July). In November 2018, the unemployment rate for teens (ages 16 to 19) was at its lowest rate since 1969.
    The November 2018 unemployment rate for individuals with a high school degree but no college fell to its lowest rate since 2000, while the October 2018 unemployment rate for individuals with some college
    education dropped to its lowest rate since 2001.

    It happened, but what are the policies or laws enacted by Trump that
    caused that to happen.


    Stock Market under Trump Everyone is impressed with the performance of
    the stock market under President Trump's especially Trump. Stocks have risen in nine of the first ten months of the Trump Administration, a record that no other U.S. president can match. That goes back to
    President William McKinley in 1897; before 1896 there were no stock indices.

    It happened, but what are the policies or laws enacted by Trump that
    caused that to happen.

    Plus, You quote the first ten months of the Trump administration. It is
    pretty common that a new President inherits the trends set by the
    previous President. That was true for Obama, who inherited a
    disastrous drop in market value caused by events during Bush's
    Presidency. He managed to pull the USA out of that recession, save the
    auto industry and then handed over a robust economy to Trump.

    Stock market's value under Trump has grown by $6.9 trillion to $30.6 trillion. The stock market has added $6.9 trillion in market cap since Donald Trump was elected president. That is already nearly half of what the market grew by in all eight years of the Obama administration.

    See above.

    The continued low unemployment rate and the consistent employment
    gains of more than 100,000 jobs every month in 2018 demonstrate the effectiveness of the
    Administration's economic policies. As workers continue to come off
    the sidelines, there also remain opportunities for sustained employment growth as we enter the new year.

    It happened, but what are the policies or laws enacted by Trump that
    caused that to happen.

    You have totally not answered the question, which what has Trump done to
    make those things happen. You described events which may or may not
    have had any relation to policies of the Trump administration. You did
    not describe policies that caused those events to happen.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thu Dec 12 07:38:47 2019

    "African American unemployment is the lowest ever recorded in our country. The Hispanic unemployment rate dropped a full point in the last year and is close to the lowest in recorded history. Dems did nothing for you but get your vote!"

    It happened, but what are the policies or laws enacted by Trump that caused that to happen.

    To find out what caused or allowed these positives to happen, all one needs
    to do is listen to the President on his very first day.

    Pro-American stance and putting America First, The President spoke about the people within the urban cities and spoke to them directly within his uplifting speech as President on his very first day.

    What occurs as a result from removing the thumb of Government from upon you
    is the ability to flourish. It's called Leadership. Can you imagine Trump saying to his people You did not do that, I did.

    Donald Trump the citizen has gone after the City of New York and publicly embarrassed them with the ice rink that they couldn't figure out. Donald Trump made sure that the city knew who it was that fixed the problem.
    He would never and has never embarrassed the citizens in a cut throat message to the masses as a Nation and say. "You didn't that, Government did."
    This is what happens when you have a man who believes in America instead of blaming America for all of the worlds problems.

    This is only one of ways that answer your question, but how?
    (also have to say)
    I know you are, but what am I.
    C'on Man! stop being so child like.

    Along with deregulation and optimistic belief in the people that he
    represents as President of these United States of America.

    More to come on this, (helluva lot more in-fact.)
    Tonight..

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Dec 12 15:44:15 2019
    Hello Greg,

    They don't have to work to make Trump look bad, he does that all by >DS>himself.

    Look at the map "county by county" across this Great Land that is the United >States of America of the results of how it's people voted in the 2016 >election.

    There is more red on that map then Verizon. Can you hear me now? Good!

    Adolf Hitler took office through legal means. His party did not
    win a majority of the votes. And yet he managed to gain supreme power,
    with his party firmly in control.

    The real problem here is you're not giving credit where credit is due. >Unemployment down to a 50 year low, Stock Market $mashing records over and >over. I could go on and on but you wouldn't be interested in any of that.

    Having photo ops with dictators is not an accomplishment.

    What a dismal existence it must be to be a democrat not to see that Donald >Trump is the best President since Lincoln.

    Many Germans consider Adolf Hitler as being not only one of the
    smartest persons who ever lived, but also revere him as their savior.
    Here is how one blogger describes his hero, Adolf Hitler -

    "Adolf Hitler was just a simple man with righteous goals. He wanted to
    fix the German economy and damn it he did that. He wanted to expand
    Germany to its former glory by reclaiming its stolen land and more and
    Hitler was on the right track. He wanted to created a perfect society
    where Aryans can peacefully live in by eradicating threats like Gypsies, homosexuals, Jews, etc. This act of eradication can be easily compared
    to acts by God. God himself wanted to create an ideal world by killing
    all the other sinners with the flood, sparing noble Noah and his family.
    What goes to say Hitler was in the wrong when he was merely following
    in God's footsteps? Hitler was not only the smartest man in the world,
    his power is similar to that of any Holy Deity. His speeches brought
    pride back into the once broken and poor Germany."

    https://www.thetoptens.com/smartest-people-history/


    How will future Americans view Donald Trump? Will they revere him
    as a god, as Germans do with Adolf Hitler?

    What if Trump decides to declare a national emergency once the Senate
    acquits him of all charges, then locks up every card-carrying Democrat
    in the land, charging each and every one of them as being an "enemy of
    the state"?

    Bernie Sanders would win the Democratic nomination, being that he
    is a self-declared socialist rather than a Democrat, thus escaping
    the wrath of Trump.

    In which case Donald Trump will simply cancel the upcoming election
    and declare himself as being "The Chosen One".

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ron Lauzon on Thu Dec 12 15:46:19 2019
    Hello Ron,

    Now if we can only get an investigation into the Biden quid pro quo when he
    was in office.

    Lemme see -

    The Republicans control the White House.
    The Republicans control the Senate.
    The Republicans have a majority on the Supreme Court.
    The Republican President can have his Republican AG initiate
    an investigation into the Bidens.
    The Republican President can have his Republican AG have his Republican-appointed FBI director conduct an investitation into
    the Bidens.
    The Republican Senate can subpoena anybody they want, including
    the Bidens.
    The Republicans have all the power to do anything they want.
    So what the heck is stopping them?

    James Carville was right. They're all wet.

    When you have the facts, argue the facts.
    When you have the law, argue the law.
    When you have nothing, just argue.

    Meanwhile, Speaker Pelosi is having a day ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Thu Dec 12 15:46:28 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    that Donald Trump is the best President since Lincoln.

    Don't expect Democrats to think highly of a guy who opposed slavery.

    Democrats loved President Davis ...

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Thu Dec 12 15:46:45 2019
    Hello Dale,

    If the Democrats didn't work so hard to make the president look bad, >AT>they would succeed more.

    They don't have to work to make Trump look bad, he does that all by
    himself.

    That is not entirely true. He does have his sidekick, Mike Pence,
    to help him out.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Dec 12 15:46:57 2019
    Hello Greg,

    DS> AT> If the Democrats didn't work so hard to make the president look bad,
    DS> AT> they would succeed more.
    DS>
    DS> They don't have to work to make Trump look bad, he does that all by
    DS> himself.

    Look at the map "county by county" across this Great Land that is the
    United
    States of America of the results of how it's people voted in the 2016 election.

    And the result shows Hillary Clinton winning the popular vote
    by almost 3 million more votes than the next contestant ...

    There is more red on that map then Verizon. Can you hear me now? Good!

    And yet the majority of the population is in the blue area. Cool!

    The real problem here is you're not giving credit where credit is due.

    Statistics are not a type of lie, but an *alternative* to lying.
    That is much different than alternative facts.

    Unemployment down to a 50 year low, Stock Market $mashing records over and >over. I could go on and on but you wouldn't be interested in any of that. >What a dismal existence it must be to be a democrat not to see that Donald >Trump is the best President since Lincoln.

    Good thing Trump prefers twitter rather than live performance
    at the theater. Hiding behind a keyboard is much safer than hiding
    behind a curtain ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Thu Dec 12 15:47:10 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    Democrats and independents are doing their constitutional duty. >LL>Republicans have yet to do theirs.

    Were Republicans doing a smart thing with the Clinton impeachment?

    The Republicans had a majority in the House and could do whatever
    they wanted, with or without reason. Made no difference at all if
    anything they did was smart or dumb as an ox. In any event, five
    Democrats did go along with it. So at least in this case, it was
    not all their fault.

    Because he lied under oath?

    "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinski!"
    ~ Bill Clinton

    He even went on national television and explained to the American
    people why what he said was the God's honest truth. So please,
    the reason why Republicans chose to impeach Bill Clinton could not
    have been because he lied under oath. Even if he did.

    What it was all about was sex. Republicans were jealous, and
    they wanted in on the action. Ken Starr even put Monica Lewinski's
    pretty blue dress (including the stain) on display in the evidence
    room for all to see. Not a single representative chose to examine
    any of the evidence.

    Trust me when I tell you, if Donald Trump is impeached, as expected,
    it will not be because he lied under oath. And I seriously doubt he
    will be impeached for having sex with a White House intern. After
    all, he is a self-admitted sexual predator, grabbing women by their
    pussies to get what he wants.

    What was that supposed to accomplish?

    A break from their daily routine. Think about it. Republicans
    chose to impeach Bill Clinton. Those same Republicans went on to
    win another term, and retained majority control of the House.

    Maybe cost him his 2nd term?

    Bill Clinton went on to complete his second term in office, and
    left after serving eight years in office as the most popular president
    in American history. So what exactly did the House accomplish by
    impeaching him? Aside from making him the most popular president in
    history?

    What did anyone learn about that?

    Andrew Johnson was impeached in his first term.
    Andrew Johnson did not serve a second term.

    On the other hand, Andrew Johnson was never elected
    president, so had nothing to lose.

    That it doesn't work?

    Sure it works. That is why Nixon resigned from office in disgrace.
    His own party made him do it, the alternative losing their own seats.

    Some wanted to impeach GWB, but Nancy Pelosi (she was Speaker
    at the time) wisely chose not to pursue the matter. As a result,
    Barack Obama went on to win the presidency. And the Democrats
    gained control of both houses of Congress.

    Today, things are different. Democrats control the House, and
    Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker. Blacks are mad that only white people
    will be on stage for the next Democratic candidates debate. Which
    is why Donald Trump will be impeached, and Michelle Obama will be
    our next President of the United States.

    --Lee

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Thu Dec 12 13:27:47 2019
    When Republicans have issues with Trump, they toss them right in his face.

    When has that happened?

    John Mccain, Jeff Flake, Martha McSally, these are just a few of your obstructionist pals in the GOP. But I suppose I'll have to admit that Republicans are usually inline with each other, and they don't have nearly as much internal conflict (currently) as the Dems; this is one reason why there are 1 or 2 Republicans running against Trump in 2020, and 20 Democrats. Many
    of the dem candidates are already trash-talking each other, thereby confusing their constituents about who they should vote for in the primary.

    but frivolous. They harmed an ally and aided an adversary.

    You mean could have and could have, but didn't?

    Some of the Democrat candidates, but not all, are pushing for an
    immediate medicare for all *IN AMERICA*, but none are asking for it for the entire world. Where did you get that idea?

    If you support open borders in the USA, and you support Medicare for All in
    the USA, then you actually support "Medicare for the entire world courtesy
    of the USA." Democrats can't oppose Medicare for illegal immigrants; it's not in their blood.

    None of the things you mentioned are any threat to the Constitution.
    OTOH, a President who openly admits to breaking Federal law comes as
    close as one can get.

    Close, but no cigar.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Dec 12 13:32:22 2019
    Don't expect Democrats to think highly of a guy who opposed slavery.

    Democrats loved President Davis ...

    ..and many are still loyal to him

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Dec 12 13:37:37 2019
    What it was all about was sex. Republicans were jealous, and
    they wanted in on the action. Ken Starr even put Monica Lewinski's

    Republicans were wrong to impeach Clinton. I think all the stress of the impeachment caused Clinton to falter, and make all kinds of terrible mistakes for the US economy. He would've been popular and successful if he didn't
    trash our economy, if it weren't for those meddling Republicans.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Dec 13 01:46:00 2019
    On 12-12-19 07:38, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

    It happened, but what are the policies or laws enacted by Trump that caused that to happen.

    To find out what caused or allowed these positives to happen, all one needs to do is listen to the President on his very first day.

    Do you mean statements like "We're going to build a wall and Mexico is
    going to pay for it"? Or how he stopped companies from migrating their operations to Mexico -- but not a peep from him when they did just that
    after he was elected?

    From before he even began to run for President, he was involved in many
    failed ventures -- and stiffed many of his sub contractors -- and
    promoted fake conspiracy theories. Most recently, he had to pay a $25M
    fine for his fake university and another $2M fine for abuses of his
    charity foundation.

    True, the stock market is up since he took office, but by a lessor
    percentage (40%) than it increased under Obama after the great recession (120%).

    You mentioned the removal of regulations as if that is a good thing. Personally, I do not see how allowing more oil spills on our coast is a
    good thing. I cannot see how destroying our natural resources is a good
    thing. I cannot see how allowing increased pollution from burning more
    coal is a good thing. Nor how not encouraging and supporting alternate
    sources of energy (e.g. windmills) is a good thing. All of these are a
    result of Trump's policy programs or lack there of.

    But all of that pales before his abuses of power and corruption,
    especially having to do with interference in the American elections by
    foreign governments.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Dec 13 03:02:02 2019
    On 12-12-19 13:27, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

    but frivolous. They harmed an ally and aided an adversary.

    You mean could have and could have, but didn't?

    Trump's abuse of power in withholding aid to Ukraine definitely hurt
    Ukraine in their on going war with Russia. Because the aid was held up
    while Trump was asking for political favors, the Ukraine government did
    not have the military support that they needed in a timely fashion as
    had be approved by Congress, Dept of Defense and State Dept. That delay probably cost them lives. It most certainly cost them credibility on
    the world stage as one of the USA's allies in confrontations with our
    strongest adversary of Russia and weakened their ability to negotiate
    against them. So the answer to your remark is "I mean it did harm an
    ally, and it did aid an adversary, and it continues to do both".

    None of the things you mentioned are any threat to the Constitution.
    OTOH, a President who openly admits to breaking Federal law comes as
    close as one can get.

    Close, but no cigar.

    If committing a felony, which Trump has done since in office, and
    allowing that to go unchecked is not a threat to the Constitution then
    pray tell what is in your opinion?

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Dec 13 03:03:04 2019
    On 12-12-19 13:27, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-


    When Republicans have issues with Trump, they toss them right in his
    face.

    When has that happened?

    John Mccain, Jeff Flake, Martha McSally, these are just a few of your obstructionist pals in the GOP. But I suppose I'll have to admit that

    I do not know much about McSally, nor how she has voted on important
    issues. However, I have a lot of respect for McCaine having been a man
    of great principle. And yes, Flake did criticise Trump, but after he
    had announced not running for reelection and so could voice his
    conscience and not his party line.


    Republicans are usually inline with each other, and they don't have

    Usually is an understatement lately.

    nearly as much internal conflict (currently) as the Dems; this is one reason why there are 1 or 2 Republicans running against Trump in 2020,

    It is rare for anyone to run against an incumbant President. The fact
    that 1 or 2 are doing so says something about the incumbant.

    and 20 Democrats. Many of the dem candidates are already trash-talking each other, thereby confusing their constituents about who they should vote for in the primary.

    The number is slowing decreasing. They have their differences, and wish
    for the voters to decide. It is not unlike the previous Repulican race
    that started out with more 15 potentials. Such is typical for the party
    out of power or when there is not an incumbent President running.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Dec 13 07:41:08 2019

    Adolf Hitler took office through legal means. His party did not
    win a majority of the votes. And yet he managed to gain supreme power, with his party firmly in control.

    Where your comparison with Hilter and Trump is somewhat humorous.
    You are missing several very important aspects that are key and simply do not add up; I know you would like to jam this puzzle piece into place with your analogy, it simply does not fit, my friend.

    Donald Trump is a President, not a chancellor.
    United States is a republic and has democracy.

    Many Germans consider Adolf Hitler as being not only one of the
    smartest persons who ever lived, but also revere him as their savior.
    Here is how one blogger describes his hero, Adolf Hitler -

    "Adolf Hitler was just a simple man with righteous goals. He wanted to
    fix the German economy and damn it he did that. He wanted to expand Germany to its former glory by reclaiming its stolen land and more and Hitler was on the right track. He wanted to created a perfect society where Aryans can peacefully live in by eradicating threats like Gypsies, homosexuals, Jews, etc. This act of eradication can be easily compared
    to acts by God. God himself wanted to create an ideal world by killing
    all the other sinners with the flood, sparing noble Noah and his family. What goes to say Hitler was in the wrong when he was merely following
    in God's footsteps? Hitler was not only the smartest man in the world,
    his power is similar to that of any Holy Deity. His speeches brought
    pride back into the once broken and poor Germany."

    I would say that would be an accurate depiction of history, but again what
    does this have to do with Trump.

    LL>
    https://www.thetoptens.com/smartest-people-history/


    How will future Americans view Donald Trump? Will they revere him
    as a god, as Germans do with Adolf Hitler?

    What if Trump decides to declare a national emergency once the Senate acquits him of all charges, then locks up every card-carrying Democrat
    in the land, charging each and every one of them as being an "enemy of
    the state"?

    Being that the United States of America is known as Land of the Free, what
    your describing above, will never happen.
    By the way Land of Free means several things, but never has it meant that the Government will provide free college or anything else, it is still a land where
    if you work hard and have determination there are no limits.

    Bernie Sanders would win the Democratic nomination, being that he
    is a self-declared socialist rather than a Democrat, thus escaping
    the wrath of Trump.

    Socialism would not work here in the United States ever!
    We know through history where that road leads; your thinking is the problem, with your desire or maybe it's because you do not have faith within Donald Trump and your eyes not to mention your mind is closed off to everything that he has done while President that has been really positive for our country.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Fri Dec 13 19:21:20 2019
    On 13 Dec 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...


    Do you mean statements like "We're going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it"? Or how he stopped companies from migrating their operations to Mexico -- but not a peep from him when they did just that after he was elected?

    No I mean words such as these, like I said from his very first day.

    Every four years, we gather on these steps to carry out the orderly and peaceful transfer of power, and we are grateful to President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama for their gracious aid throughout this transition. They have been magnificent. Thank you.

    Today's ceremony, however, has very special meaning, because today we are not merely transferring power from one administration to another, or from one
    party to another, but we are transferring power from Washington, D.C., and giving it back to you, the people.

    For too long, a small group in our nation's capital has reaped the rewards of government, while the people have borne the cost. Washington flourished, but the people did not share in its wealth. Politicians prospered, but the jobs left and the factories closed. The establishment protected itself, but not
    the citizens of our country. Their victories have not been your victories. Their triumphs have not been your triumphs, and while they celebrated in our nation's capital, there was little to celebrate for struggling families all across our land. That all changes, starting right here and right now, because this moment is your moment --- it belongs to you. It belongs to everyone gathered here today, and everyone watching, all across America. This is your day. This is your celebration, and this, the United States of America, is
    your country.

    What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether
    our government is controlled by the people. January 20th, 2017 will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again. The forgotten men and women of our country, will be forgotten no longer. Everyone is listening to you now. You came by the tens of millions to become part of a historic movement, the likes of which the world has never seen before. At the center of this movement is a crucial conviction, that a nation exists to
    serve its citizens. Americans want great schools for their children, safe neighborhoods for their families, and good jobs for themselves. These are
    just and reasonable demands of righteous people and a righteous public, but
    for too many of our citizens a different reality exists. Mothers and children trapped in poverty in our inner cities, rusted out factories, scattered like tombstones across the across the landscape of our nation, an education system flush with cash, but which leaves our young and beautiful students deprived
    of all knowledge, and the crime, and the gangs, and the drugs that have
    stolen too many lives and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential. This American carnage stops right here and stops right now.
    We are one nation and their pain is our pain. Their dreams are our dreams and their success will be our success. We share one heart, one home, and one glorious destiny. The oath of office, I take today, is an oath of allegiance
    to all Americans. For many decades, we've enriched foreign industry at the expense of American industry, subsidized the armies of other countries, while allowing for the very sad depletion of our military. We've defended other nation's borders while refusing to defend our own. And spent trillions and trillions of dollars overseas, while America's infrastructure has fallen into disrepair and decay. We've made other countries rich while the wealth,
    strength and confidence of our country has dissipated over the horizon. One
    by one, the factories shuddered and left our shores, with not even a thought about the millions and millions of American workers that were left behind.
    The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed all across the world.
    But that is the past, and now we are looking only to the future. We assembled here today our issuing a new decree to be heard in every city, in every
    foreign capital, and in every hall of power, from this day forward: a new vision will govern our land, from this day forward, it's going to be only America first. America first.

    Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs will be made to benefit American workers and American families. We must protect our borders from the ravages of other countries making our products, stealing our companies and destroying our jobs. Protection will lead to great prosperity
    and strength. I will fight for you with every breath in my body, and I will never, ever let you down. America will start winning again, winning like
    never before. We will bring back our jobs. We will bring back our borders. We will bring back our wealth, and we will bring back our dreams. We will build new roads and highways and bridges and airports and tunnels, and railways,
    all across our wonderful nation. We will get our people off of welfare and
    back to work, rebuilding our country with American hands and American labor. We will follow two simple rules: buy American, and hire American. We will
    seek friendship and goodwill with the nations of the world, but we do so with the understanding that it is the right of all nations to put their own interests first. We do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone, but
    rather to let it shine as an example. We will shine for everyone to follow.
    We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones, and you unite the
    civilized world against radical Islamic terrorism, which we will eradicate completely from the face of the Earth.

    At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United
    States of America, and through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other. When you open your heart to patriotism, there is
    no room for prejudice. The Bible tells us, how good and pleasant it is when God's people live together in unity. We must speak our minds openly, debate
    our disagreements, but always pursue solidarity. When America is united, America is totally unstoppable. There should be no fear. We are protected,
    and we will always be protected. We will be protected by the great men and women of our military and law enforcement. And most importantly, we will be protected by God.

    Finally, we must think big and dream even bigger. In America, we understand that a nation is only living as long as it is striving. We will no longer accept politicians who are all talk and no action, constantly complaining but never doing anything about it. The time for empty talk is over. Now arrives
    the hour of action. Do not allow anyone to tell you that it cannot be done.

    No challenge can match the heart and fight and spirit of America.
    We will not fail. Our country will thrive and prosper again.
    We stand at the birth of a new millennium, ready to unlock the mysteries of space, to free the Earth from the miseries of disease and to harness the industries and technologies of tomorrow. A new national pride will stir our souls, lift our sights and heal our divisions. It's time to remember that old wisdom our soldiers will never forget, that whether we are black, or brown,
    or white, we all bleed the same red blood of patriots. We all enjoy the same glorious freedoms, and we all salute the same, great American flag. And
    whether a child is born in the urban sprawl of Detroit or the windswept
    plains of Nebraska, they look up at the at the same night sky, they fill
    their heart with the same dreams and they are infused with the breath of life by the same almighty creator.

    So to all Americans, in every city near and far, small and large, from
    mountain to mountain, from ocean to ocean, hear these words. You will never
    be ignored again. Your voice, your hopes, and your dreams will define our American destiny. And your courage and goodness and love, will forever guide
    us along the way. Together, we will make America strong again. We will make America wealthy again. We will make America proud again We will make America safe again, And yes, together, we will make we will make America great again. Thank you. God bless you. And god bless America. Thank you.
    God bless America.

    From before he even began to run for President, he was involved in many failed ventures

    Many successful people fail before they are a complete success.
    You might be shocked as to the number of people and the types of business and venturers that at first were a failure but through determination and hard
    work we take them and their inventions for granted.
    The light bulb is a very good example of this.

    True, the stock market is up since he took office, but by a lessor percentage (40%) than it increased under Obama after the great recession (120%).

    Are you forgetting that under Obama the United States fell in it's credit rating.

    You mentioned the removal of regulations as if that is a good thing. Personally, I do not see how allowing more oil spills on our coast is a good thing. I cannot see how destroying our natural resources is a good thing. I cannot see how allowing increased pollution from burning more coal is a good thing. Nor how not encouraging and supporting alternate sources of energy (e.g. windmills) is a good thing. All of these are a result of Trump's policy programs or lack there of.

    You really don't have any clue what regulations were cut, but that does not matter to someone who is on the left, you make up as you go along.
    How about you do some research to determine what regulations were cut, before making baseless accusations.

    But all of that pales before his abuses of power and corruption, especially having to do with interference in the American elections by foreign governments.

    Are you sure you want to engage with me about the last paragraph, I will
    leave you with this (so you can think about it, first)

    Everything that the Dems have said that Trump did, collusion with a foreign government, bribery, corruption - all of it, they are GUILTY of.
    because this is a matter of FACT, Trump will win in a LANDSLIDE.

    Here is a blast from the past; PUSU

    https://theruggedindividualist.wordpress.com/2017/11/06/democrats-guilty-of-eve rything-for-which-they-accused-trump/

    https://www.gop.com/everything-democrats-accuse-trump-of-doing-they-are-guilty-

    There are many many more such examples.

    Better Think about it.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Dec 13 19:29:55 2019
    Good thing Trump prefers twitter rather than live performance
    at the theater. Hiding behind a keyboard is much safer than hiding
    behind a curtain ...

    Yeah I know about the keyboard warriors, there are several of those kind of people here in FIDONET; slamming keys in their underwear, while sitting in the basements of their parents home.
    I'm so terrified. NOT!

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Dec 14 00:34:00 2019
    On 12-13-19 19:21, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

    No I mean words such as these, like I said from his very first day.

    Every four years, we gather on these steps to carry out the orderly
    and peaceful transfer of power, and we are grateful to President Obama
    and First Lady Michelle Obama for their gracious aid throughout this transition. They have been magnificent. Thank you.

    <<SNIP>>
    I will agree that was a very good speech. But it does not even sound
    like Trump himself talking, rather crafted by good speech writers (as
    many political speeches are). However, much of what he promises in that
    speech has yet to even begin happening. I won't bother to do a line by
    line markup, but will just point out one particular line.

    Americans want great schools for their children,

    So, what does he do but appoint a Secrtary of Education who has been
    on record as being for private schools instead of supporting public
    education.

    while America's
    infrastructure has fallen into disrepair and decay.

    And his grand plan for infrastructure has never even gotten started.

    Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs
    will be made to benefit American workers and American families. We must

    Tell that to the farmers who have lost much because of his implusive
    trade tariffs. Or the American public who has to pay what amounts to a
    tax for his tariffs on imported goods.

    We will follow two simple rules: buy American, and hire American. We

    But Trump bought his MAGA hats from China?


    From before he even began to run for President, he was involved in many failed ventures

    Many successful people fail before they are a complete success.

    Not that much. Trump has a track record of bankruptcy along with
    shafting his employees and contractors.

    True, the stock market is up since he took office, but by a lessor percentage (40%) than it increased under Obama after the great recession (120%).

    Are you forgetting that under Obama the United States fell in it's
    credit rating.

    Nope -- and that was because of national debt. Trump is increasing the
    debt with his tax cuts and other things to the point where the credit
    rating may again be lowered.

    You mentioned the removal of regulations as if that is a good thing. Personally, I do not see how allowing more oil spills on our coast is a good thing. I cannot see how destroying our natural resources is a good thing. I cannot see how allowing increased pollution from burning more coal is a good thing. Nor how not encouraging and supporting alternate sources of energy (e.g. windmills) is a good thing. All of these are a result of Trump's policy programs or lack there of.

    You really don't have any clue what regulations were cut, but that

    I have as good a clue as anyone who follows the news, including
    pronouncements by Trump -- e.g. downplaying windmills because they don't
    work when the wind does not blow, and because they kill birds, etc. Or
    the proposals to allow oil exploration in pristine Alaska protected
    areas.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Dec 14 01:02:02 2019
    On 12-13-19 19:21, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

    But all of that pales before his abuses of power and corruption, especially having to do with interference in the American elections by foreign governments.

    Are you sure you want to engage with me about the last paragraph, I
    will leave you with this (so you can think about it, first)

    Everything that the Dems have said that Trump did, collusion with a foreign government, bribery, corruption - all of it, they are GUILTY
    of. because this is a matter of FACT, Trump will win in a LANDSLIDE.

    Here is a blast from the past; PUSU

    https://theruggedindividualist.wordpress.com/2017/11/06/demo rats-guilty-of-eve
    rything-for-which-they-accused-trump/

    Page not found until I corrected your spelling. But then, I was able to
    read it -- and yes, there were objectional dealings and people resigned
    as a result. BUT, the Democrats (or Hillary Clinton) did not ask a
    foreign government to help in her election. It is true that they took
    over the Steele report after the Republicans dropped it, but Steele was
    not a foreign government. And she certainly did not try to make
    essential aide to a foreign government conditional on a political favor
    to help her election. Trump not only did those things, he confessed to
    it in public.

    https://www.gop.com/everything-democrats-accuse-trump-of- doing-they-are-guilty-

    Another 404 error, even after correcting for word wrap.

    There are many many more such examples.

    Show me even one credible example of someone else doing what the
    articles of impeachment against Trump allege.

    Better Think about it.

    You really should do that. I certainly have.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Sat Dec 14 01:02:46 2019
    If committing a felony, which Trump has done since in office, and
    allowing that to go unchecked is not a threat to the Constitution then pray tell what is in your opinion?

    There's not a person in the world who can honestly say they feel hurt by
    Trump, except for Joe Biden.

    Joy Behar said today that nobody better say anything bad about him because his son died. So, we should impeach Trump because that's the only way to bring Joe's son back.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Sat Dec 14 01:19:06 2019
    of great principle. And yes, Flake did criticise Trump, but after he

    Most Republicans have harsh criticism of Trump, but they also for Democrats on a mission to erase the 2016 election, no matter the cost.

    The number is slowing decreasing. They have their differences, and wish for the voters to decide. It is not unlike the previous Repulican race

    It would be a slap in the face (to Congress) for the liberal presidential candidates to infer that voters can overpower politicians.

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  • From Richard Falken@1:103/705 to Dale Shipp on Sat Dec 14 06:26:57 2019
    Re: Re: Your tax dollars at
    By: Dale Shipp to Gregory Deyss on Sat Dec 14 2019 12:34 am

    So, what does he do but appoint a Secrtary of Education who has been
    on record as being for private schools instead of supporting public education.

    Wanting great schools and being for private schools are not opposite positions.
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sat Dec 14 11:07:40 2019
    On 14 Dec 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    I will agree that was a very good speech.

    You're dam right it was.

    He has kept more promises than any other President in U.S. History.

    So, what does he do but appoint a Secrtary of Education who has been
    on record as being for private schools instead of supporting public education.

    Has she done so during her post as Secretary of Education?
    All you can say is what she allegedly done on a former post.

    while America's
    infrastructure has fallen into disrepair and decay.

    And his grand plan for infrastructure has never even gotten started.

    He is not a dictator - where as he can't do the infrastructure on his own, he needs Nancy and Chuck to stop conspiring behind his back and work with the President to get this infrastructure completed.

    Tell that to the farmers who have lost much because of his implusive
    trade tariffs. Or the American public who has to pay what amounts to a tax for his tariffs on imported goods.

    You really need to stop watching the likes of CNN and MSNBC, the money that
    has been coming from the tariffs has been provided to the farmers.

    We will follow two simple rules: buy American, and hire American. We

    But Trump bought his MAGA hats from China?

    There are knock-off everywhere, the one that I have is made in the USA.
    Why the knock-offs, these people are riding the coat tails of Trump for their own fiscal gain.

    Not that much. Trump has a track record of bankruptcy along with
    shafting his employees and contractors.

    Things seem to going pretty well for us, to spite what you have mentioned.

    Are you forgetting that under Obama the United States fell in it's credit rating.

    Nope -- and that was because of national debt. Trump is increasing the debt with his tax cuts and other things to the point where the credit rating may again be lowered.

    Do let me know when this happens, until then just enjoy the efforts of the President.

    I have as good a clue as anyone who follows the news, including pronouncements by Trump -- e.g. downplaying windmills because they don't work when the wind does not blow, and because they kill birds, etc. Or the proposals to allow oil exploration in pristine Alaska protected
    areas.

    Would you rather return on being dependent on a foreign land for oil and natural gas. I am sure you are old enough to remember the gas crisis of the 70's is that want you want to return to?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Sat Dec 14 19:10:16 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    Don't expect Democrats to think highly of a guy who opposed slavery.

    Democrats loved President Davis ...

    .and many are still loyal to him

    My residence is not far from his childhood home.
    Really nice digs. Kept up and visitors are welcome.
    He grew up in rural Mississippi, went to West Point,
    and died in New Orleans. Amazing story of the life
    he lived.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Sat Dec 14 19:10:24 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    What it was all about was sex. Republicans were jealous, and
    they wanted in on the action. Ken Starr even put Monica Lewinski's

    Republicans were wrong to impeach Clinton. I think all the stress of the >impeachment caused Clinton to falter, and make all kinds of terrible
    mistakes
    for the US economy. He would've been popular and successful if he didn't >trash our economy, if it weren't for those meddling Republicans.

    Bill Clinton had the highest popularity rating of all time when he left
    office, after serving two consecutive terms. The economy was doing
    great, with 22 million new jobs having been created under the Clinton administration, with the budget in the black.

    Within eight months of taking office, GWB tanked the economy, sending
    the budget into deficit. Then came the events of 9-11.

    When GWB left office, he was very unpopular, the economy in the ditch.

    Thank God we found a savior in Barack Obama, who rescued us from hell.

    What we need today is to find another savior who can rescue us from
    another hell. But there is hope. The audacity of hope. That another
    will arise. Such as Michelle Obama ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Dec 14 19:10:31 2019
    Hello Greg,

    Good thing Trump prefers twitter rather than live performance
    at the theater. Hiding behind a keyboard is much safer than hiding >LL>behind a curtain ...

    Yeah I know about the keyboard warriors, there are several of those kind of
    people here in FIDONET; slamming keys in their underwear, while sitting in the basements of their parents home. I'm so terrified. NOT!

    I still miss the old days, before the internet.

    Dogs like to chase things. Especially cars and trucks.
    Have you ever wondered what would happen if a dog ever catches one?
    One day, I saw it happen. Rotweiller lounging on top of a table
    in a yard. UPS truck passes by. Doggie leaps off table and gives
    chase. THUNK! Hiss ... Deader than a doornail. Packages not
    getting to their destination that day ...

    --Lee

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to aaron thomas on Sat Dec 14 09:29:00 2019
    aaron thomas wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    When Republicans have issues with Trump, they toss them right in his
    face. But I don't see any Republicans pushing the impeachment over
    these frivolous things that are being blown out of proportion "Trump's
    a threat to the constitution." Who's the group that's asking for
    medicare for the entire world? The group that wants to disarm America?
    The group that's pushing for prison reform? That would be the group
    that's a threat to the constitution.

    The Left always projects.

    If they accuse someone of being a racist, it's because they are racist.
    If they accuse someone of being a homophobe, it's because they are homophobes. ...

    So if they are accusing someone of being a threat to the Constitution, then they are the threat. Which is pretty easy to see since I have yet to see a Democrat obey the Constitution.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dale Shipp on Sat Dec 14 09:38:00 2019
    Dale Shipp wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

    Through the eyes of anyone with an independent and unbiased mind.

    If you think you are unbiased, then you are deluded. Everyone has biases. Until you recognize that, you cannot even try to be unbiased.

    Trump has denied the role of Congress to be an independent body by refusing to allow anyone in the Whitehouse staff to submit to a Supena from Congress. What is he so afraid of? His actions have been
    anything but frivolous. They harmed an ally and aided an adversary.

    If the House (not "Congress") had the power to make people testify, they they should do so. It's their circus after all.

    But I'll throw this back at you:
    Why are the Dems refusing to answer questions about the Bidens? Why has Hunter
    Biden dropped off the face of the Earth?
    What are the Dems afraid of?

    Some of the Democrat candidates, but not all, are pushing for an
    immediate medicare for all *IN AMERICA*, but none are asking for it for the entire world. Where did you get that idea?

    Let's see... The Dems want universal healthcare for everyone in the U.S. Then
    they want to give those same benefits to illegal aliens. Then they want to open the border to anyone who wants to come in.

    Ya, that sounds like "medicare for the world" to me.

    No one wants to do that, despite what you might think in some
    conspiracy theory.

    You must have missed Beto's remarks about seizing everyone weapons. The Dems have pushed gun control for a long time now and their words and actions have followed the same course that every other depot has done to disarm the public.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Dec 14 09:41:00 2019
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    And the result shows Hillary Clinton winning the popular vote
    by almost 3 million more votes than the next contestant ...

    Which is completely irrelevant since we don't elect the President by popular vote (it's in the Constitution).

    Which is, of course, why the Dems want to eliminate the Electoral College. But
    to do that they need to amend the Constitution, which they aren't doing. Instead they are trying to subvert the Constitution. What group is a threat to
    the Constitution?

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Dec 14 14:47:00 2019
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    Socialism would not work here in the United States ever!
    We know through history where that road leads; your thinking is the problem, with your desire or maybe it's because you do not have faith within Donald Trump and your eyes not to mention your mind is closed
    off to everything that he has done while President that has been really positive for our country.

    Based on my observations, I found that there are 3 groups that are for socialism:
    1. The Power Hungry - They know that Socialism isn't "The people own everything" but rather "The gov't owns everything" and they know that whoever runs the gov't de facto own everything. (ex. Bernie and Hilary)
    2. The Elites - who think that they know what's best for everyone else but are really ignorant about basic things. They actually believe tat the Power Hungry will actually implement their ideas unchanged.
    3. The stupid and lazy - by far the largest group. These are people who want something for nothing and think that will actually work.

    So whenever someone proposes Socialism, I always try to figure out what group they belong to.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dale Shipp on Sat Dec 14 14:55:00 2019
    Dale Shipp wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    Americans want great schools for their children,

    So, what does he do but appoint a Secrtary of Education who has been
    on record as being for private schools instead of supporting public education.

    Our public education has been totally destroyed by the so-called "Progressives".

    So any Sec. of Education that's for private schools is a good one. We need to get education out of the hands of the current bunch of incompetents.

    Full disclosure: My dad taught middle school for 43 years. So I had a better view of what was happening inside the school system than the average person.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Dec 15 02:23:00 2019
    On 12-14-19 11:07, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

    He has kept more promises than any other President in U.S. History.

    Name a few?

    So, what does he do but appoint a Secretary of Education who has been
    on record as being for private schools instead of supporting public education.

    Has she done so during her post as Secretary of Education?
    All you can say is what she allegedly done on a former post.

    NO -- it is what she is doing in her current post. Advocating vouchers
    to subsidize private schools instead of helping public schools to
    improve.

    while America's
    infrastructure has fallen into disrepair and decay.

    And his grand plan for infrastructure has never even gotten started.

    He is not a dictator - where as he can't do the infrastructure on his
    own, he needs Nancy and Chuck to stop conspiring behind his back and
    work with the President to get this infrastructure completed.

    He had two years with the Republicans in full control of both houses --
    what did he do then? You cannot sidestep the blame to Nancy and Chuck
    for that failure to do anything to fulfill his promises.

    Tell that to the farmers who have lost much because of his impulsive
    trade tariffs. Or the American public who has to pay what amounts to a tax for his tariffs on imported goods.

    You really need to stop watching the likes of CNN and MSNBC, the money that has been coming from the tariffs has been provided to the farmers.

    Where do you get that? After the farmers lost much, they finally
    approved 12billion aid -- but that did not come from tariffs, it came
    from the public coffers at the expense of you and me. The government
    does not get the money from tariffs, the consumer pays them.

    But Trump bought his MAGA hats from China?

    There are knock-off everywhere, the one that I have is made in the
    USA. Why the knock-offs, these people are riding the coat tails of
    Trump for their own fiscal gain.

    Do I detect a pattern there? Or is it just another case of hypocrisy,
    sort of like coming down hard on undocumented immigrants, all the while
    hiring them to help his personal businesses?

    I have as good a clue as anyone who follows the news, including pronouncements by Trump -- e.g. downplaying windmills because they don't work when the wind does not blow, and because they kill birds, etc. Or the proposals to allow oil exploration in pristine Alaska protected
    areas.

    Would you rather return on being dependent on a foreign land for oil
    and natural gas. I am sure you are old enough to remember the gas
    crisis of the 70's is that want you want to return to?

    Yes I do recall that, but don't use that as an excuse to destroy the
    natural environment when there other plausible alternatives that can and
    should be considered.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Ron Lauzon on Sun Dec 15 20:51:17 2019
    So if they are accusing someone of being a threat to the Constitution, then they are the threat. Which is pretty easy to see since I have yet
    to see a Democrat obey the Constitution.

    And this whole time, I just thought they were experts at twisting stuff
    around; as it turns out, they are overcompensating for their own actions :)

    Rep. Van Drew from NJ has got the right idea; ditch the DNC and join the GOP. Instead of blaming Republicans, become a Republican. I like it. Jerry don't like it though; he's already tossing Van Drew to the wolves.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Sun Dec 15 21:00:46 2019
    Do I detect a pattern there? Or is it just another case of hypocrisy, sort of like coming down hard on undocumented immigrants, all the while hiring them to help his personal businesses?

    Hiring illegal immigrants is somewhat legal. When there are legal loopholes
    for things, people take advantage of them, even the president.

    But do you actually thing that Trump interviewed and trained these illegals that "he hired?" Did he do their background checks? The dude has people working
    for him. Are you the same guy who said that Trump "refused to rent to blacks?" Does Trump also clean the bathrooms at his resort?

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Sun Dec 15 20:39:00 2019
    On 12-06-19, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

    On 12-04-19 23:38, Tim Richardson <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-


    I will admit that some of those 400 bills might be consi


    (clip!)


    They suck road apples. But then....most all of them are `democrat' bills, aren't they....so it is expected as a normal way of things that they'd
    be sub-standard.


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Dec 15 21:33:00 2019
    On 12-06-19, AARON THOMAS said to DALE SHIPP:

    Much of what you call illegal voter registration, I would call
    prevention of illegal prevention of people from voting.


    I hate it when people prevent others from voting, but how can I trust AT>Democrats to protect me from that when they manipulate traffic on election AT>day?


    Dead people are not only still registered to vote....people who died as long ago as 5 or even ten years.


    In some instances it was determined that `dead' people were still registered because they lived in voting districts that delete voters who are `registered' and fail to vote in a major election (such as their state or a presidential election). Which means `someone' would have to be casting their `vote' for them! One guy, in fact, `voted' in 2010, 2012, 2014, AND 2016 elections here
    in California. However, Social Security records show he died in 2009 at the
    age of 104!


    The democrats strongly and loudly resist each and every effort to come up
    with a voter registration system that ensures only U.S. citizens are voting
    in American elections.


    They do so for a good reason; it is democrats who benefit from illegal voting.






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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Sun Dec 15 21:07:00 2019
    On 12-09-19, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

    On 12-08-19 19:56, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

    What is so evil about new airports and
    bridges and working together on infrastructure for the American
    people?


    Nothing at all. That is one of the things that Trump promised. How did DS>that go? Either now, or when he controlled both houses of Congress?


    First of all, he *never* controlled both houses of Congress.


    The shithead who was `speaker' at the time of which you try to pretend
    Trump had both houses behind him (Paul Ryan?) was not a `republican'; he only had an `R' after his name when it appeared in print. He was almost as staunch
    a democrat as Pelosi or Schitt are! (Which is probably why he's no longer around!)


    Has he or the Republican introduced any such bills? I really don't know DS>and would like to find out if they did and if so, what happened to them.


    The low-life democrats have been in charge of the House for almost 2 years
    now; all they've done is `impeachment' and Trump hatred.!


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Sun Dec 15 21:35:00 2019
    On 12-10-19, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

    On 12-08-19 14:16, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-


    If the Democrats didn't work so hard to make the president look bad,
    they would succeed more.

    They don't have to work to make Trump look bad, he does that all by DS>himself.


    Actually....president Trump looks great! The democrats under Pelosi, Schumer, Pelosi's evil little dwarf (Nadler) and Schitt, look like just what they are; dog dirt!


    A couple of new deep state revelations:


    Comey better lawyer up. The recently-released Inspector General report, contrary to Comey's claim that it wouold `vindicate' him...it in fact
    uncovered a large number of serious instances of the FBI grossly abusing
    its power with the full knowledge of James Comey.


    Not to mention the deliberate false narrative by the leftist mainstream media all this time thouughout the entire charade.


    How strange that no democrats consider the lying, concealment of evidence, and the manipulation of documents for the purpose of backing up their lies, a `scandal' of any sort.


    This is a serious instance of FBI corruption.


    And every democrat in the Congress has to be aware of this. As do you.






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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Dec 16 06:35:50 2019
    Thank God we found a savior in Barack Obama, who rescued us from hell.

    You think Obama going around the world and apologizing for America is a good thing for America?

    What we need today is to find another savior who can rescue us from another hell. But there is hope. The audacity of hope. That another will arise. Such as Michelle Obama ...

    Michelle (Michael) will not run this time out.
    Trump would destroy her, him I mean.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Ron Lauzon on Mon Dec 16 06:51:09 2019
    On 14 Dec 2019, Ron Lauzon said the following...

    Dale Shipp wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

    Through the eyes of anyone with an independent and unbiased mind.

    If you think you are unbiased, then you are deluded. Everyone has
    biases. Until you recognize that, you cannot even try to be unbiased.

    Trump has denied the role of Congress to be an independent body by refusing to allow anyone in the Whitehouse staff to submit to a
    Supen
    from Congress. What is he so afraid of? His actions have been anything but frivolous. They harmed an ally and aided an adversary.

    You're dam right and I am proud of my President for doing so.
    He fully cooperated with the Mueller (Circus) Investigation, look where that led him, so the President is giving a Yuge FU to these people.

    Let's see... The Dems want universal healthcare for everyone in the
    U.S. Then they want to give those same benefits to illegal aliens.
    Then they want to open the border to anyone who wants to come in.

    Some kind of thing is happening here in New York with the Green light law. Where the State of New York says that the county clerks can not deny illegals a drivers license. I think this is going to be disastrous more accidents and yes more fatalities. (not to mention a pathway to vote)

    The way the forms were made they are assuming that you are an American Citizen therefore, there is the question about registering to vote.
    This was never mean to filled out by an illegal.
    What's next road signs in Spanish?

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Mon Dec 16 07:13:44 2019
    On 15 Dec 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 12-14-19 11:07, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

    He has kept more promises than any other President in U.S. History.

    Name a few?
    Seriously?

    Totally making more money.
    Resurrected America optimism.
    Unemployment lowest in 50 years among many different groups.
    Moping up from the previous administration.
    Putting America First, instead of second like 44 did.

    Well what do you know, that spells TRUMP.

    There are other examples.
    Trump built the Jewish Embassy, others have tried and failed.
    Trump got it done.


    And his grand plan for infrastructure has never even gotten started.

    I am confident that it will get done within the next 5 years.


    He is not a dictator - where as he can't do the infrastructure on
    his
    own, he needs Nancy and Chuck to stop conspiring behind his back and work with the President to get this infrastructure completed.

    He had two years with the Republicans in full control of both houses -- what did he do then? You cannot sidestep the blame to Nancy and Chuck
    for that failure to do anything to fulfill his promises.

    Tell that to the farmers who have lost much because of his impulsive trade tariffs. Or the American public who has to pay what amounts
    to
    tax for his tariffs on imported goods.

    You really need to stop watching the likes of CNN and MSNBC, the
    mone
    that has been coming from the tariffs has been provided to the
    farmer

    Where do you get that? After the farmers lost much, they finally
    approved 12billion aid -- but that did not come from tariffs, it came
    from the public coffers at the expense of you and me. The government
    does not get the money from tariffs, the consumer pays them.

    But Trump bought his MAGA hats from China?

    There are knock-off everywhere, the one that I have is made in the USA. Why the knock-offs, these people are riding the coat tails of Trump for their own fiscal gain.

    Do I detect a pattern there? Or is it just another case of hypocrisy, sort of like coming down hard on undocumented immigrants, all the while hiring them to help his personal businesses?

    In your mind he can not win, he dammed either way.
    but do let me ask you a question.
    What have Democrats done for you? or your community?

    Would you rather return on being dependent on a foreign land for oil and natural gas. I am sure you are old enough to remember the gas crisis of the 70's is that want you want to return to?

    Yes I do recall that, but don't use that as an excuse to destroy the natural environment when there other plausible alternatives that can and should be considered.

    America is no longer dependent on foreign oil, the environment is the same as it was, Shale is being used.
    (explain why this process of using shale rock is damaging the environment)

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dale Shipp on Mon Dec 16 17:54:00 2019
    Dale Shipp wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    NO -- it is what she is doing in her current post. Advocating vouchers
    to subsidize private schools instead of helping public schools to
    improve.

    Until the Teacher's Union and Tenure are abolished, public schools will NEVER improve.

    Vouchers: Here in Michigan, my sales tax goes to funding the schools. Schools
    get money based on how many kids they are teaching. Now, if my kid goes to a public school, or a private school, shouldn't that money that *I* paid into the
    system go with my kid? In either case, it's going to educate my kid.

    Where do you get that? After the farmers lost much, they finally
    approved 12billion aid -- but that did not come from tariffs, it came
    from the public coffers at the expense of you and me. The government
    does not get the money from tariffs, the consumer pays them.

    I shouldn't be, but I am constantly amazed at the level of economic ignorance the Left has.

    China sends rice. The U.S. puts a tariff on it. Yes, the consumer pays that tariff - which goes right in to the public coffes (you know, that very same place the farmer's aid came from). But now China rice costs more and U.S. consumers are now more apt to choose U.S. grown rice - which, by the way, enriches the American rice farmers.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Dec 16 17:55:00 2019
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    Michelle (Michael) will not run this time out.
    Trump would destroy her, him I mean.

    *Laugh* My wife and I have the same problem: It's is Michelle or Michael?


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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to TIM RICHARDSON on Mon Dec 16 19:13:30 2019
    They do so for a good reason; it is democrats who benefit from illegal voting.

    I see that as one of many voting problems. Does Congress have a bill to fix that? It sounds like that could be (mostly) corrected by tying death certificates to voter status.

    I think they should ask for a valid, government issued photo id, and let
    people vote with their document number online. In these days of doing stuff smarter, what's wrong with that? And then nobody could be swayed not to vote
    by weather, discrimination at the polls, traffic, lack of bus-money, etc. (Unless they don't have internet)

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Dec 16 19:16:26 2019
    Michelle (Michael) will not run this time out.
    Trump would destroy her, him I mean.

    The first female president shouldn't be a racist, just as Obama shouldn't disgrace blacks by claiming to be the first black president.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Dec 16 19:20:30 2019
    Some kind of thing is happening here in New York with the Green light
    law. Where the State of New York says that the county clerks can not

    I'm in NY too, and am aware of this. The problem is that undocumented people have already shown us how much they give a crap about our laws; so who needs
    a driver's license? So they can buy beer? Why not just steal it?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ron Lauzon on Tue Dec 17 07:37:29 2019
    Hello Ron,

    And the result shows Hillary Clinton winning the popular vote
    by almost 3 million more votes than the next contestant ...

    Which is completely irrelevant since we don't elect the President by popular
    vote (it's in the Constitution).

    There is nothing in the US Constitution mandating the use of the
    electoral college process in order to elect the President.

    IOW, we can choose direct democracy, rather than relying on the
    electoral college process.

    Which is, of course, why the Dems want to eliminate the Electoral College.

    There is no electoral college. Never has been. What we have
    is an electoral college system. We are free to use that system,
    if we choose. We are also free not to use that system, if we
    choose.

    But to do that they need to amend the Constitution, which they aren't doing.

    There is no need to amend the US Constitution. We are free to
    use, or not use, the electoral college system. Nothing is forced
    upon us.

    Instead they are trying to subvert the Constitution.

    Not at all. Nowhere have I stated, or even suggested, the need
    to amend the US Constitution.

    What group is a threat to the Constitution?

    Antidemocratic nutjobs.

    Direct democracy is what every prodemocratic individual on the
    face of this planet should fully support. One person, one vote.
    It really is that simple.

    That is how we elect our local officials.
    That is how we elect our state officials.
    That is how we elect our members of Congress.

    Why not elect our president and vice president the same way?

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Dec 17 07:37:37 2019
    Hello Greg,

    Thank God we found a savior in Barack Obama, who rescued us LL>from hell.

    You think Obama going around the world and apologizing for America is a good
    thing for America?

    I seriously doubt Barack Obama has any intention of doing
    the chicken and mashed potatoes tour. Much nicer having everybody
    else come to his place to break bread, as every contestant for the
    Democratic nomination has done.

    What we need today is to find another savior who can rescue us from >LL>another hell. But there is hope. The audacity of hope. That another >LL>will arise. Such as Michelle Obama ...

    Michelle (Michael) will not run this time out.
    Trump would destroy her, him I mean.

    Michelle has publicly stated, many times, that she has no intention
    of running for office. She says "... the truth is that working on
    girls' education is what I want to do for the rest of my life until
    we fix this issue." (NBC News, 12/9/2019, Michelle Obama in Vietnam)

    She remains highly popular, and is a lawyer, would likely win if
    she were to run for public office. But I will take her word for it.
    She is not interested, wanting to spend time in what she considers
    more important matters.

    Barack Obama has publicly stated that he would likely win were he
    to run for another first term. He has also stated that any challenge
    based on the 22nd Amendment would likely fail, as the courts would
    never want to deny the people their own choice for president.

    Look what Obama did to McCain. Totally destroyed him. Wasn't
    even a contest. Look at what Obama did to Romney. And to think
    Obama spotted Romney the first debate. If the next election is
    between Barack Obama and Donald Trump, the incumbent will never
    show up for any debate because doing so would make himself the
    laughingstock of the entire country.

    But fear not. The Chosen One can rest assured The Man from Kenya
    will remain on the sidelines. At least for now.

    --Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Dec 17 02:14:02 2019
    On 12-15-19 21:00, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-


    Do I detect a pattern there? Or is it just another case of hypocrisy, sort of like coming down hard on undocumented immigrants, all the while hiring them to help his personal businesses?

    Hiring illegal immigrants is somewhat legal. When there are legal loopholes for things, people take advantage of them, even the
    president.

    What are the legal loopholes? If you hire someone as a worker, you are supposed to collect Social Security and taxes. Can't legally do that if
    they are undocumented, unless they supply a fake SS number.

    But do you actually thing that Trump interviewed and trained these illegals that "he hired?" Did he do their background checks? The
    dude has people working
    for him.

    Of course he did not, but he is responsible for the policies of his
    business adventures. Did he fire the people who did the hiring? I
    doubt it.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to aaron thomas on Tue Dec 17 07:17:53 2019
    Some kind of thing is happening here in New York with the Green
    light
    law. Where the State of New York says that the county clerks can not

    I'm in NY too, and am aware of this.
    Oh? I had no idea that you were in New York. How did you get a node in Net 123. Net 267 covers all of New York. If you are happy where you are within
    the nodelist then that would be fine. but if you ever wanted to establish a node here in New York then that would be great too.
    I am the NC of Net 267 here in NY.


    The problem is that undocumented
    people have already shown us how much they give a crap about our laws;

    What can we do to stop our laws from being ignored?

    Vote people out that continue to be supportive of sanctuary cities.
    Stop the Federal funding to these cities.
    There will be some that will say that this can not be done, oh yea watch me.. They whine and wince and cry and stamp their feet and some will act up and say it is mean and wrong; so is breaking the law and violating U.S. Sovereignty.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Tue Dec 17 13:04:11 2019
    What are the legal loopholes? If you hire someone as a worker, you are

    The first legal loophole that comes to mind is the use of independent contractors (aka temp agencies who will pay minimum wage) to place the burden of background/id checks on a third party. That way, those who "employ" "economy-class travelers" aren't really responsible for employing them.

    Now, in New York State, "stowaways" can work just about anywhere they want thanks to our liberal "Green Light Law," which will actually give them the
    only document they will ever need to get on someone's payroll; a valid government-issued driver's license. There's the ultimate, must-needed, highly anticipated legal loophole that these "hard-workers" needed all these years.

    It also paves the way for neo-slavery in the form of paying "newly documented" workers piece-work, reimbursements for work supplies ("the check is in the mail!") taxi-driving (they can easily lease a cab now,) and many other nightmares that I haven't stressed over yet.

    What used to be a great opportunity for impoverished but honest migrants has turned into a concept of rewriting the rules to accommodate people who don't obey the rules anyway.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Dec 17 14:00:46 2019
    Net 123. Net 267 covers all of New York. If you are happy where you are

    I'm just an alcoholic, not the sysop of Alcoholiday.

    What can we do to stop our laws from being ignored?

    We all should demand more precise answers from candidates. Those who
    dodge issues need early dismissal. If they don't have the answer, they better be honest enough to just say so. We need to fully interrogate all the GOP candidates ahead of primaries, and they better be telling the truth,
    because if they look like a big liar, then we should be able to negotiate
    with Democrats ourselves; Can we compromise with them on issues that matter
    to them, in exchange for them compromising on stuff that matters to us?

    "Hey Democrats, if we agree to abortion rights, will you stop the nonsense of letting adults from other countries walk our streets without a background
    check in hand?

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Dec 18 18:01:00 2019
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    There is nothing in the US Constitution mandating the use of the
    electoral college process in order to elect the President.

    Article 2, Section 1.
    And
    12th Amendment

    Direct democracy is what every prodemocratic individual on the
    face of this planet should fully support. One person, one vote.
    It really is that simple.

    Yes, that *sounds* good. But that means that the high population areas get to elect the president and if you don't live in one of those areas, your vote effectively does not count.

    Doesn't sound very democratic to me.

    And part of the reason for the Electoral system is to prevent tyranny of the majority.


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Sat Dec 21 12:19:00 2019
    On 12-16-19, AARON THOMAS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

    They do so for a good reason; it is democrats who benefit from illegal voting.


    I see that as one of many voting problems. Does Congress have a bill to AT>fix that? It sounds like that could be (mostly) corrected by tying death AT>certificates to voter status.


    They (republicans) have come up with some good methods over the years.


    Democrats (and even some `republicans' who should really have a `D'
    designation after their name) always strongly protest for one weak reason
    after another.


    I think they should ask for a valid, government issued photo id, and let AT>people vote with their document number online. In these days of doing AT>stuff smarter, what's wrong with that?


    In a country where `democrats' who've been deceased for years (decades sometimes), are still actively voting, expecting the lawmakers here to do something that makes sense is a bit of a pipe dream. (Witness `Obamacare')

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sat Dec 21 12:49:00 2019
    On 12-15-19, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

    On 12-14-19 11:07, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-


    He has kept more promises than any other President in U.S. History.


    Name a few?


    1. He got us out of that stupid-ass climate deal where it would have been `America' paying most of the money (as usual).


    2. He has confronted illegal immigration with not only physical barriers; but has raised the bar on this `assylum' trick.


    3. He walked away from the Iran deal; remember the one with the BILLIONS of American dollars on pallets Hussein Obama `gifted' to the Iranians?


    4. Unemployment numbers are the lowest over all demographics in 75 years or more.


    5. He's made allies in Europe start paying a fairer share of the cost of America's participation in their military security (which the scum-suckin' lowball democrats are trying to impeach him for).


    So, what does he do but appoint a Secretary of Education who has been
    on record as being for private schools instead of supporting public education.


    I don't know if you've been paying attention but the `public' education level of excellence in the US sort of ......well.....SUCKS!!!


    Our education system in this country used to be tops in the world. We are now almost on the level of `third world'.


    Many people here in California don't even send their children to `public' schools anymore because of the drugs and violence found there. And the more money taxpayers are force to throw at the problem, the worse it gets.


    The Secretary of Education Trump appointed didn't cause all the problems
    public school systems here are plagued with; she `inherited' them!


    And there is a good reason why democrats always rail against `private'
    schools;


    When people opt for sending their children to private schools, they also send their `money' along with them. `Money' that teachers unions (democrat) can't control to get fat raises, which are not doing anything to raise public school pupil's scholastic standards.


    Taxpayers get a lot of smoke and noise from public educators about more money...raises....newer schools....but get nothing more than an on-going, escalating problem. A *DEMOCRAT* problem!








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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ron Lauzon on Sun Dec 22 19:07:54 2019
    Hello Ron,

    There is nothing in the US Constitution mandating the use of the >LL>electoral college process in order to elect the President.

    Article 2, Section 1.
    And
    12th Amendment

    Nothing there.

    Article 2, Section 1 - "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner
    as the Legislature thereof may direct"

    12th Amendment - "The Electors shall meet in their respective
    states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President"

    * note - a small portion of the 12th Amendment is superceded
    by section 3 of the 20th Amendment.

    What the US Constitution calls for is an electoral college *system* -
    which is not the same thing as most folks think or realize.

    IOW, each individual state is free to choose how the POTUS/VPOTUS
    are to be elected. IOW, a state can pass a law mandating its electors
    to vote for the candidate who has received the most popular votes
    nationwide. If the number of states having passed such a law amount
    to a total of 270 or more electoral votes, then the candidate who
    has won the most popular votes nationwide is the winner.

    All this without changing a single word of the US Constitution.
    Or by adding or repealing any amendments.

    Direct democracy is what every prodemocratic individual on the
    face of this planet should fully support. One person, one vote.
    It really is that simple.

    Yes, that *sounds* good.

    Of course it does. What's there not to like?

    But that means that the high population areas get to elect the president and
    if you don't live in one of those areas, your vote
    effectively does not count.

    Do we want to be a country like South Africa as it was under
    apartheid? Do we want to be a country like Israel, which some
    claim is a modern-day apartheid state?

    63 million voters chose Donald J. Trump for president.
    65 million voters chose Hillary Clinton for president.

    There are 3100+ counties in the U.S. The vast majority
    of those counties are red, rather than blue. The vast majority
    of voters live in counties that are blue, rather than red.

    Which means the USA may be a de facto apartheid state.

    Doesn't sound very democratic to me.

    Nelson Mandela did not like it in South Africa.
    Palestinians do not like it in Israel.

    And part of the reason for the Electoral system is to prevent tyranny of the
    majority.

    What we have today in the US is tyranny of the minority.

    Direct democracy will solve that problem.

    --Lee

    --
    Laying Pipe Since '88

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Tim Richardson on Mon Dec 23 02:12:00 2019
    On 12-21-19 12:49, Tim Richardson <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

    3. He walked away from the Iran deal; remember the one with the
    BILLIONS of American dollars on pallets Hussein Obama `gifted' to the Iranians?

    Why is it a good thing to allow Iran to start building nuclear weapons?
    And that was not American dollars. It was Iranian dollars being
    returned to them. But you knew all of that.

    5. He's made allies in Europe start paying a fairer share of the cost
    of America's participation in their military security (which the

    It is as much *our* security as theirs.

    scum-suckin' lowball democrats are trying to impeach him for).

    You got that wrong. A. he has been impeached. and B. that is not why
    he was impeached. Try reading the articles of impeachment.

    So, what does he do but appoint a Secretary of Education who has been
    on record as being for private schools instead of supporting public education.

    I don't know if you've been paying attention but the `public'
    education level of excellence in the US sort of ......well.....SUCKS!!!

    So try to make them better. She does not seem to believe in doing that.

    When people opt for sending their children to private schools, they
    also send their `money' along with them. `

    You got that wrong also. All people contribute to the funding of public schools, whether they have children in them or not. I pay taxes --
    don't you? I do not have any children in school for the past 30+ years,
    but I still pay taxes for the public schools.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Jan 14 03:02:48 2020
    Hello Greg,

    Donald J. Trump violated his oath of office, as cited by
    two articles of impeachment passed by the House.

    The House is a farse as reasons I previously explained.

    They did their jobs, impeaching a president for due cause.

    Cause from within their own ego and only that.

    No Laws Broke No Crime Committed, by the President.
    For this HOAX they will pay at the voting box.

    Donald J. Trump has been impeached for life, regardless of what
    the Senate does, or does not do.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Jan 14 03:03:19 2020
    Hello Greg,

    So I say IF and that is one BIG "IF" LAWS WERE BROKEN, then why is
    Pelosi
    dragging her feet sending this to the Senate for a vote.

    Neither of the two articles of impeachment say *if* or *maybe*.
    There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it, according to Speaker Pelosi
    and the House. Your dearly beloved is guilty as sin. On all counts.

    Counts? There are no counts, not one single solitary count equates to any
    laws broken..

    That is only a matter of degree.
    The question is not whether any laws were broken.
    It is a fact that several laws were broken.
    The question of "reasonable doubt" is what remains.

    Go Ahead Nancy, make our day and forward these worthless articles of >impeachment to the Senate.

    The House has already done its job, having passed two articles
    of impeachment. The Speaker is now in the process of handing over
    those two articles to the Senate.

    Commit political suicide in the process.

    Donald J. Trump has been impeached for life.

    Nancy Pelosi will never be impeached. Unless she gets to become
    POTUS due to future events, in which case there would be a remote
    possibility of that happening. Very remote chance.

    Open the floodgates of hell upon, we will wait, but only for a short time.

    Why? Congressional elections will take place in November,
    the same time as the presidential election. I expect Pelosi
    to win in a landslide.

    --Lee

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to RON LAUZON on Fri Jan 17 14:22:00 2020
    On 01-06-20, RON LAUZON said to TIM RICHARDSON:

    TIM RICHARDSON wrote to RON LAUZON <=-


    You're wasting your time.


    You cannot reason with a leftie. They're at a huge disadvantage; they aren't `reasonable' people.


    I already figured that out. But they are fun to taunt. 8)


    Yes! Ohhh yes!


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Fri Jan 17 16:04:00 2020
    On 01-14-20, LEE LOFASO said to GREGORY DEYSS:

    Hello Greg,


    Cause from within their own ego and only that.


    No Laws Broke No Crime Committed, by the President.
    For this HOAX they will pay at the voting box.


    Donald J. Trump has been impeached for life, regardless of what
    the Senate does, or does not do.


    Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Gerald Nadler, and Maxine Waters just proved to the world what I've long suspected;


    They are all pieces of shit from the same turd!


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