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    From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to All on Tue Nov 12 00:30:36 2019
    Hello Everybody,

    "Is it okay with you or not okay for political candidates
    in the U.S. to ask for assistance from a foreign government
    to help them win an election?" ~Ann Selzer, pollster

    --Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Nov 12 01:59:04 2019
    On 11-12-19 00:30, Lee Lofaso <=-
    spoke to All about Question <=-


    Hello Everybody,

    "Is it okay with you or not okay for political candidates
    in the U.S. to ask for assistance from a foreign government
    to help them win an election?" ~Ann Selzer, pollster

    It is not ok, and it would be illegal. But Trump has not only announced
    in public that he would accept such assistance and that he has asked for
    it.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Strahinja Bojovic@2:382/147 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Nov 12 09:16:29 2019
    Hello Everybody,

    "Is it okay with you or not okay for political candidates
    in the U.S. to ask for assistance from a foreign government
    to help them win an election?" ~Ann Selzer, pollster

    Ofcourse, couse US is "helping" other countrys's to get their
    governments.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Strahinja Bojovic on Tue Nov 12 09:42:54 2019

    "Is it okay with you or not okay for political candidates
    in the U.S. to ask for assistance from a foreign government
    to help them win an election?" ~Ann Selzer, pollster

    Ofcourse, couse US is "helping" other countrys's to get their
    governments.

    Hmmm ... really ?

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  • From Strahinja Bojovic@2:382/147 to Ward Dossche on Tue Nov 12 20:51:33 2019
    "Is it okay with you or not okay for political candidates
    in the U.S. to ask for assistance from a foreign government WD>SB>LL>to help them win an election?" ~Ann Selzer, pollster

    Ofcourse, couse US is "helping" other countrys's to get their
    governments.

    Hmmm ... really ?

    Nooo , just kidding ;)


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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Nov 12 22:58:55 2019
    "Is it okay with you or not okay for political candidates
    in the U.S. to ask for assistance from a foreign government
    to help them win an election?" ~Ann Selzer, pollster

    It's fine with me, but why do you ask? I've never heard of this happening before.

    I've heard about political candidates in the US asking foreign
    governments with assistance in bringing criminals to justice by investigating them, and I think that's wonderful.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Nov 14 01:17:04 2019
    On 11-12-19 22:58, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Question <=-


    "Is it okay with you or not okay for political candidates
    in the U.S. to ask for assistance from a foreign government
    to help them win an election?" ~Ann Selzer, pollster

    It's fine with me, but why do you ask?

    He asked because that is part of why Trump may be impeached.

    I've never heard of this happening before.

    You have never heard of it happening before, because it is against the
    law and previous Presidents believed in obeying the law.

    Dale Shipp
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    (1:261/1466)


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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Fri Nov 15 16:49:05 2019
    to help them win an election?" ~Ann Selzer, pollster

    It's fine with me, but why do you ask?

    He asked because that is part of why Trump may be impeached.

    I don't think Trump has asked for any help (or needs any) with his
    re-election. But if Trump were to ignore signs of Joe Biden's corruption, I think that would be an impeachable offense.

    You have never heard of it happening before, because it is against the
    law and previous Presidents believed in obeying the law.

    Obama seems to have been pretty lawful; a liar, but probably not a liar under oath. That makes Obama very law-abiding when compared to Bill Clinton, the guy who lied under oath. If betrayal were a crime, Obama and Clinton both would have been removed from office. But, we're all a little liberal when it comes
    to letting huge disasters slide. (Bill NAFTA, George 9/11, Barry's ACA Healthcare Penalty/Bloodshed in Ukraine.)

    I still think Trump colluded with Russia. We should continue trying to
    impeach him for that. :)

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to aaron thomas on Mon Nov 18 21:37:06 2019
    On 12 Nov 2019, aaron thomas said the following...

    I've heard about political candidates in the US asking foreign
    governments with assistance in bringing criminals to justice by investigating them, and I think that's wonderful.

    Especially when the Democratic candidate running for the Presidency is neck deep involved in foreign governments affairs involving corruption of which
    will prove to be criminal, it's a matter of time and patience.

    Additionally, Ukraine happens to be the birthplace of the dossier and crowdstrike has played a role there as well.

    Do I really have to say it?.... I told you so.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Mon Nov 18 21:51:21 2019
    On 14 Nov 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 11-12-19 22:58, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Question <=-


    "Is it okay with you or not okay for political candidates
    in the U.S. to ask for assistance from a foreign government
    to help them win an election?" ~Ann Selzer, pollster

    It's fine with me, but why do you ask?

    He asked because that is part of why Trump may be impeached.

    I've never heard of this happening before.

    You have never heard of it happening before, because it is against the
    law and previous Presidents believed in obeying the law.

    Obviously, you were sleeping when this was happening. https://thepoliticalinsider.com/obama-israel-election-interfered/

    This above website is only one reference, there are many more references of this and they are not all right-wing websites either.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Nov 19 00:57:00 2019
    On 11-18-19 21:51, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Question <=-

    He asked because that is part of why Trump may be impeached.

    I've never heard of this happening before.

    You have never heard of it happening before, because it is against the
    law and previous Presidents believed in obeying the law.

    Obviously, you were sleeping when this was happening. https://thepoliticalinsider.com/obama-israel-election-interfered/

    OK, I did read your reference and others. There are some obvious
    differences between that incident and what Trump did.

    The articles state that the State department gave money to an NGO, who
    then morped into a political group who tried to defeat the Israel PM.
    The articles also say that the money was designated for supporting peace negotiations between the Israel and Palestine, but that the NGO
    (OneVoice) used the money for political purposes instead.

    Obama did not ask for a foreign government to provide information to
    help him in his election which is what Trump did and what is a federal
    crime. Furthermore, Obama did not block the will of Congress by
    refusing to send the aid that had been approved, as Trump had done.

    It is not the same at all.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tue Nov 19 07:10:04 2019
    On 19 Nov 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 11-18-19 21:51, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Question <=-

    He asked because that is part of why Trump may be impeached.

    I've never heard of this happening before.

    You have never heard of it happening before, because it is against
    th
    law and previous Presidents believed in obeying the law.

    Obviously, you were sleeping when this was happening. https://thepoliticalinsider.com/obama-israel-election-interfered/

    OK, I did read your reference and others. There are some obvious differences between that incident and what Trump did.

    The articles state that the State department gave money to an NGO, who then morped into a political group who tried to defeat the Israel PM.
    The articles also say that the money was designated for supporting peace negotiations between the Israel and Palestine, but that the NGO
    (OneVoice) used the money for political purposes instead.

    Obama did not ask for a foreign government to provide information to
    help him in his election which is what Trump did and what is a federal crime. Furthermore, Obama did not block the will of Congress by
    refusing to send the aid that had been approved, as Trump had done.

    That's a lot of Democratic Spin for something so obvious, it is no secret
    that there was a rift between Obama and Netanyahu, not to mention the Obama Administration was undermining the Government of Israel at every opportunity, as was seen in land disputes in Israel. Also Obama and his administration was trying to control and to influence where he had no right and no jurisdiction.

    Your trying to do - what the Democratic party is trying to do.
    Each of you are attempting to do your level best to find wrong doing and even to criminalize what Trump did as a sinister act.
    Neither of you don't understand that the President is duty bound to look into acts of corruption by American's. Additional reasons, why this has the dems squealing like pigs is because of the very person at the center of the corruption is the same person who is a Democratic candidate for the
    President.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Fri Nov 22 02:20:27 2019
    Hello Dale,

    "Is it okay with you or not okay for political candidates
    in the U.S. to ask for assistance from a foreign government
    to help them win an election?" ~Ann Selzer, pollster

    It is not ok, and it would be illegal. But Trump has not only announced
    in public that he would accept such assistance and that he has asked for
    it.

    The Senate will forgive him for his sins.
    A minority of Americans will allow him another four years.
    And then President Putin will annex the US as part of Russia.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Strahinja Bojovic on Fri Nov 22 02:20:39 2019
    Hello Strahinja,

    "Is it okay with you or not okay for political candidates
    in the U.S. to ask for assistance from a foreign government
    to help them win an election?" ~Ann Selzer, pollster

    Of course, couse US is "helping" other countrys's to get their
    governments.

    To rephrase the question -

    Would it be okay for a U.S. political candidate to cheat by asking
    a foreign government to help him/her win an election?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Fri Nov 22 02:20:45 2019
    Hello Aaron,

    "Is it okay with you or not okay for political candidates
    in the U.S. to ask for assistance from a foreign government
    to help them win an election?" ~Ann Selzer, pollster

    It's fine with me, but why do you ask? I've never heard of this happening
    before.

    Ann Selzer asked the question, not me. In her survey, just
    7% of U.S. adults said it is okay with them. 81% said it is
    not okay.

    Why would it be fine with you? Most folks find it appalling.

    I've heard about political candidates in the US asking foreign
    governments with assistance in bringing criminals to justice by
    investigating them, and I think that's wonderful.

    The question was specific about political candidates in the U.S.
    asking for assistance from a foreign government to help them win
    an election.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Nov 21 23:00:24 2019
    The Senate will forgive him for his sins.
    A minority of Americans will allow him another four years.
    And then President Putin will annex the US as part of Russia.

    Or maybe even sooner if Tulsi gets elected. Hillary said (and I quote) "she's Russian asset" and "a lot sexier than me." I'm not sure what that second part had to do with anything, but it does explain all the jealousy.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Nov 21 23:24:47 2019
    Why would it be fine with you? Most folks find it appalling.

    If Trump freezes aid to Zelensky, and tells him "I'll release the funds after my re-election," and then fulfills his promise, then that is kinda sleazy.

    But it doesn't erase all the good deeds that Trump has done.

    Another thing that is sleazy, is that assumption by everyone that Biden is
    the front-runner. How does Trump know that he needs to screw Biden over? How does Trump, Zelensky, and the entire DNC know about that, but we don't?

    Sleazy....if it's true that they know this but they perform a sham primary to make the common folk think otherwise.

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  • From Strahinja Bojovic@2:382/147 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Nov 22 19:51:09 2019
    Hello Strahinja,

    "Is it okay with you or not okay for political candidates
    in the U.S. to ask for assistance from a foreign government
    to help them win an election?" ~Ann Selzer, pollster

    Of course, couse US is "helping" other countrys's to get their LL>>governments.

    To rephrase the question -

    Would it be okay for a U.S. political candidate to cheat by asking
    a foreign government to help him/her win an election?

    Hi Lee,

    Its not simple for me to answer your question (couse of my poor
    english) but I can try. For last 15 years government in my coutry
    is elected by big influence of U.S. (and some other countrys). This
    kind of influence takes time to change peoples thoughs to
    vote for candidate that is suitable for foreign government. Its
    politics I know but when some country interfier in such way it can
    expect that same thing in its own country. Its not right! I think
    that every country has freedom to chose government by itself but its
    not how thinkg work and Iam sure that it is not my country invetion.


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