• Olympians born in the US but competing for China

    From George Burdell@VERT to All on Tue Feb 8 15:59:42 2022
    What the hell? If you're born in the US, compete as an American for fuck's sakes.

    What's with this girl who was born in the US and completed as a chink? And yes, i said that because those damn Chinese are fucking things up for everyone worldwide. Damn chinks!

    Seriously - what's up with that blondie skier who got a gold medal? I mean, that should be an AMERICAN gold medal? Not fucking China!

    Heck, let's send our basement dweller to China! What's his name. Yeah, the guy who still lives in his mom's basement.

    Maybe he and this blonde Chink can have a love child together? Oh, that's right, he's probably fucking gay. Never mind. LOL!

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to George Burdell on Tue Feb 8 21:58:40 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US but competing for China
    By: George Burdell to All on Tue Feb 08 2022 03:59 pm

    What's with this girl who was born in the US and completed as a chink? And yes,
    i said that because those damn Chinese are fucking things up for everyone worldwide. Damn chinks!

    Imagine being this fucking racist and thinking that there's nothing wrong with it.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Wed Feb 9 00:37:51 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US but competing for China
    By: DaiTengu to George Burdell on Tue Feb 08 2022 09:58 pm

    Re: Olympians born in the US but competing for China
    By: George Burdell to All on Tue Feb 08 2022 03:59 pm

    What's with this girl who was born in the US and completed as a chink? And yes,
    i said that because those damn Chinese are fucking things up for everyone worldwide. Damn chinks!

    Imagine being this fucking racist and thinking that there's nothing wrong with it.

    DaiTengu



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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to George Burdell on Wed Feb 9 19:52:22 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US but competing for China
    By: George Burdell to All on Tue Feb 08 2022 03:59 pm

    What the hell? If you're born in the US, compete as an American for fuck's sakes.

    What's with this girl who was born in the US and completed as a chink? And y i said that because those damn Chinese are fucking things up for everyone worldwide. Damn chinks!

    Seriously - what's up with that blondie skier who got a gold medal? I mean, that should be an AMERICAN gold medal? Not fucking China!

    Heck, let's send our basement dweller to China! What's his name. Yeah, the g who still lives in his mom's basement.

    Maybe he and this blonde Chink can have a love child together? Oh, that's right, he's probably fucking gay. Never mind. LOL!

    George B.

    She is Chinese. This butt-hurt about it is quite amusing. The West has been pulling in atheletes from all around the world and claiming they represent their own countries, and now it happens the other way, once, and its all wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    Chinese consider Chinese people abroad, as just that "Chinese living abroad". They view blood as thicker than which administration you're registered with. They're Nationalist, someting American's don't really understand because they've forgotten what it was, and demonised a caricature of it.

    As much as there is to dislike about the Chinese government, they at least aren't following down the idiotic path that Western Liberalism has led us down.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to GEORGE BURDELL on Wed Feb 9 16:11:00 2022
    What the hell? If you're born in the US, compete as an American for fuck's sakes.

    Was she born here, or does she just live here?


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BORAXMAN on Wed Feb 9 16:14:00 2022
    She is Chinese.

    So she was not born in the USA?

    Chinese consider Chinese people abroad, as just that "Chinese living abroad". They view blood as thicker than which administration you're registered with. They're Nationalist, someting American's don't really understand because they've forgotten what it was, and demonised a caricature of it.

    What is really funny is that many of the American's who demonize it when
    they see it in other Americans, find it totally acceptable when China (or others) show certain signs of it.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Wed Feb 9 18:09:21 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Dumas Walker to GEORGE BURDELL on Wed Feb 09 2022 04:11 pm

    What the hell? If you're born in the US, compete as an American for
    fuck's sakes.

    Was she born here, or does she just live here?

    Apparently she was born and raised in San Francisco.

    Nightfox

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dumas Walker on Thu Feb 10 20:06:00 2022
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    She is Chinese.

    So she was not born in the USA?

    And? The Chinese consider people who are Chinese, living abroad, as just that.
    Chinese living abroad.

    The fact she was born in the USA doesn't change her heritage. China isn't the only country that does that. There are other nationalities, which will consider their descendents, even born overseas, as "their own".

    China doesn't have to adopt American idea's of nationality. Besides, Western countries have been using people born overseas for decades.


    Chinese consider Chinese people abroad, as just that "Chinese living
    abroad".
    They view blood as thicker than which administration you're registered with. They're Nationalist, someting American's don't really understand because they've forgotten what it was, and demonised a caricature of it.

    What is really funny is that many of the American's who demonize it
    when they see it in other Americans, find it totally acceptable when
    China (or others) show certain signs of it.

    It's simply a matter of competing values. America, like much of the west, doesn't really existy for any specific people anymore. The government, the ruling elite are their own power, and the citizens are just fungible labour units.

    If American's are worried about traitors, they should look to their own ruling elite, politicians and corporate executives.

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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to Nightfox on Thu Feb 10 07:05:20 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Wed Feb 09 2022 06:09 pm

    Apparently she was born and raised in San Francisco.

    That's bait. We all know SF isn't really part of America.

    /me ducks


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Andre on Thu Feb 10 08:28:55 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Andre to Nightfox on Thu Feb 10 2022 07:05 am

    Apparently she was born and raised in San Francisco.

    That's bait. We all know SF isn't really part of America.

    /me ducks

    Huh.
    :P

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Andre on Thu Feb 10 10:11:27 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Andre to Nightfox on Thu Feb 10 2022 07:05 am

    That's bait. We all know SF isn't really part of America.

    /me ducks


    California, LA especially, could sink into the ocean and the world would be a better place for it.


    To quote the late, great Bill Hicks: "when L.A. falls in the fucking ocean and is flushed away, all that it will leave... is Arizona Bay"

    /me wanders off to listen to Tool's AEnima

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Thu Feb 10 11:50:03 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: DaiTengu to Andre on Thu Feb 10 2022 10:11 am

    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Andre to Nightfox on Thu Feb 10 2022 07:05 am

    That's bait. We all know SF isn't really part of America.

    /me ducks


    California, LA especially, could sink into the ocean and the world would be a better place for it.



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  • From Dream Master@VERT/CAUGHT to DaiTengu on Thu Feb 10 12:32:00 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: DaiTengu to Andre on Thu Feb 10 2022 10:11 am

    California, LA especially, could sink into the ocean and the world would be a better place for it.

    I would love closer access to the beach here in Colorado. :)

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BORAXMAN on Thu Feb 10 16:32:00 2022
    So she was not born in the USA?

    And? The Chinese consider people who are Chinese, living abroad, as just that
    Chinese living abroad.

    and I bet they only consider her a Chinese olympian because she is good at
    what she competes in.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to DaiTengu on Fri Feb 11 18:18:07 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: DaiTengu to Andre on Thu Feb 10 2022 10:11 am

    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Andre to Nightfox on Thu Feb 10 2022 07:05 am

    That's bait. We all know SF isn't really part of America.

    /me ducks


    California, LA especially, could sink into the ocean and the world would be a better place for it.


    To quote the late, great Bill Hicks: "when L.A. falls in the fucking ocean and is flushed away, all that it will leave... i
    Arizona Bay"

    /me wanders off to listen to Tool's AEnima

    DaiTengu

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    Add Silicon Valley to that. What a blight in the world Big Tech is now.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dumas Walker on Fri Feb 11 18:23:40 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Dumas Walker to BORAXMAN on Thu Feb 10 2022 04:32 pm

    and I bet they only consider her a Chinese olympian because she is good at what she competes in.

    Maybe, but that is standard everywhere, isn't it?

    The media here in Australia have been posting a lot of fake-news about China, and the olympics. Manufactured controversies and
    pointless nit-picking.

    It's worrying because it seems as if they are preparing us for further action against and conflict against China.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BORAXMAN on Fri Feb 11 15:36:00 2022
    and I bet they only consider her a Chinese olympian because she is good at what she competes in.

    Maybe, but that is standard everywhere, isn't it?

    The media here in Australia have been posting a lot of fake-news about China, d the olympics. Manufactured controversies and
    pointless nit-picking.

    In this case of this olympian, I think Americans have always taken it for granted that people born in the USA, regardless of heritage, would complete
    as US athletes. Not really sure that is the media's fault so much as it
    seems to be the norm.

    I know there have been plenty of athletes who have competed here in the
    college and pro ranks that have competed in the olympics for their non-US country of origin (I went to school with one), but having an althlete who
    is *born here* complete for another country is a new one on me. It may have happened before, but it didn't when I used to follow the olympics more
    closely.

    I am not too shocked that some people have a questioning opinion of it, although I was surprised about how the original poster expressed his
    opinion.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 12 22:33:01 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Dumas Walker to BORAXMAN on Fri Feb 11 2022 03:36 pm

    In this case of this olympian, I think Americans have always taken it for granted that people born in the USA, regardless of heritage, would complete as US athletes. Not really sure that is the media's fault so much as it seems to be the norm.

    I know there have been plenty of athletes who have competed here in the college and pro ranks that have competed in the olympics for their non-US country of origin (I went to school with one), but having an althlete who
    is *born here* complete for another country is a new one on me. It may have happened before, but it didn't when I used to follow the olympics more closely.

    I am not too shocked that some people have a questioning opinion of it, although I was surprised about how the original poster expressed his opinion.

    Look at the European soccer teams, they are full of people born elsewhere.
    I think it has shocked Americans because it is happening the other way around, someone in the West going to a non-Western country. The West is supposed to
    be importing everyone from elsewhere, because we are the best, not the other way around.

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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 12 18:00:25 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Dumas Walker to BORAXMAN on Fri Feb 11 2022 03:36 pm

    In this case of this olympian, I think Americans have always taken it for granted that people born in the USA, regardless of heritage, would complete as US athletes. Not really sure that is the media's fault so much as it seems to be the norm.

    I know there have been plenty of athletes who have competed here in the college and pro ranks that have competed in the olympics for their non-US country of origin (I went to school with one), but having an althlete who

    You're mixing different things. The US has most of the best pro athletes in sports like basketball and hockey. In the 90s, when we started putting our pro athletes in the olymics instead of college kids and amateurs, the pro atheletes played for their country of citizenship, which was usually the same as thier country of birth.

    So yes, we expect that people who are citizens and that we funded and trained, and who lived here thier whole lives, would compete for the US. When they renounce their citizenship so that they can compete for a country/government like China? Yeah, we pretty much think they should go to hell.


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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to Boraxman on Sat Feb 12 18:08:34 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 12 2022 10:33 pm

    Look at the European soccer teams, they are full of people born elsewhere. I think it has shocked Americans because it is happening the other way around, someone in the West going to a non-Western country. The West is

    No, that is not what is happening. People born elsewhere come here to play in US pro sports. Fine. People from the US also go to other places of the world to compete in their sports. We don't whine when US people to go F1 or MotoGP, or when US players go play European soccer/football or whatever.

    But AFAIK, Ronaldo didn't renounce his Portugal citizenship to play for Manchester. What is happening lately is a few people that lived in the US their whole lives and who we trained and paid for, renounced their US citizenship to play for a pretty shady country.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Andre on Sun Feb 13 18:53:40 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Andre to Boraxman on Sat Feb 12 2022 06:08 pm

    No, that is not what is happening. People born elsewhere come here to play i US pro sports. Fine. People from the US also go to other places of the world compete in their sports. We don't whine when US people to go F1 or MotoGP, o when US players go play European soccer/football or whatever.

    But AFAIK, Ronaldo didn't renounce his Portugal citizenship to play for Manchester. What is happening lately is a few people that lived in the US th whole lives and who we trained and paid for, renounced their US citizenship play for a pretty shady country.

    But she is of Chinese heritage, is she not? As I said earlier, Chinese call people of Chinese heritage in other countries (regardless of citizenship) as "Chinese Living Abroad". Blood is thicker than water in some cases.

    People change citizenship all the time. America is supposed to be a melting pot, it's FULL of people who have changed their citizenship. That is how Western countries operate. They import people by the truckload. So sometimes it happens the other way around... Sometimes they leave and go back.

    "Born in the USA" and "US Citizenship" don't mean as much as you think it does. The country is just a resource to squeeze, if I were Chinese, I would do the same, take what I can from the failing country and move to the rising power and go back home where there actually is a long term future for my people.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BORAXMAN on Sun Feb 13 11:29:00 2022
    Look at the European soccer teams, they are full of people born elsewhere.
    I think it has shocked Americans because it is happening the other way around,
    someone in the West going to a non-Western country. The West is supposed to be importing everyone from elsewhere, because we are the best, not the other way around.

    No, I think it is because they are born in one place and are competing *in
    the Olympics* for another. It is not just US athletes that are making the
    US news. There are native Canadians who are also now playing for China in
    the Olympics. The other day, a member of the press was interviewing a
    Canadian who plays goalie for China in hockey. When they asked her if they could ask, and receive, an answer in English (her native tongue), the
    Chinese Translator answered for her and said that the Canadian competing
    for China could only answer questions in Mandarin (not her native tongue).

    I believe she is only partially of Chinese heritage.

    The speculation (or maybe knowledge) is that these athletes are being paid
    by China and/or companies with Chinese ties (like Nike) to represent China.
    Seeing as how the Olympics used to be about amateur athletes, that is
    another reason for persons turned off by professional involvement in some sports (like basketball) to further question why the Olympics even exist.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ANDRE on Sun Feb 13 11:24:00 2022
    But AFAIK, Ronaldo didn't renounce his Portugal citizenship to play for Manches
    er. What is happening lately is a few people that lived in the US their whole l
    ves and who we trained and paid for, renounced their US citizenship to play for
    a pretty shady country.

    My understanding is that some of them may not have even renounced their US
    (or Canadian or other) citizenship in order to do so. There seem to be
    some question marks about that, which makes it even shadier.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Mon Feb 14 02:15:44 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Dumas Walker to ANDRE on Sun Feb 13 2022 11:24 am

    But AFAIK, Ronaldo didn't renounce his Portugal citizenship to play for Manches
    er. What is happening lately is a few people that lived in the US their whole l
    ves and who we trained and paid for, renounced their US citizenship to play for
    a pretty shady country.

    My understanding is that some of them may not have even renounced their US (or Canadian or other) citizenship in order to do so. There seem to be
    some question marks about that, which makes it even shadier.


    most people renounce their citizenship because of tax reasons.
    they get taxed to death.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dumas Walker on Mon Feb 14 20:10:27 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Dumas Walker to BORAXMAN on Sun Feb 13 2022 11:29 am

    No, I think it is because they are born in one place and are competing *in the Olympics* for another. It is not just US athletes that are making the US news. There are native Canadians who are also now playing for China in the Olympics. The other day, a member of the press was interviewing a Canadian who plays goalie for China in hockey. When they asked her if they could ask, and receive, an answer in English (her native tongue), the Chinese Translator answered for her and said that the Canadian competing
    for China could only answer questions in Mandarin (not her native tongue).

    I believe she is only partially of Chinese heritage.

    The speculation (or maybe knowledge) is that these athletes are being paid by China and/or companies with Chinese ties (like Nike) to represent China.
    Seeing as how the Olympics used to be about amateur athletes, that is another reason for persons turned off by professional involvement in some sports (like basketball) to further question why the Olympics even exist.

    I don't think they need to be paid. Chinese are patriotic, nationalistic, and they don't forget their heritage. As I said, this is a different way of thinking to the Western way, where we only consider Nationality being whatever administrative entity you get your paperwork from.


    I understand why people might be peeved, but you can't really expect anything different, the American/Western ideal where people from all over the world will come together as one is false, always was. As the US declines, allegiency to it will get weaker and weaker.

    This has always been the case with pluralistic societies.

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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to MRO on Mon Feb 14 06:34:38 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Mon Feb 14 2022 02:15 am

    most people renounce their citizenship because of tax reasons.
    they get taxed to death.

    More lately, sure, especially for high earners. But the US isn't exactly known for taxing people to death.

    Regardless, it's off topic. China does not allow dual citizenship and requires that they renounce their citizenship. Olympic athletes aren't moving to China for tax reasons.


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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to Boraxman on Mon Feb 14 06:36:43 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on Mon Feb 14 2022 08:10 pm

    I don't think they need to be paid. Chinese are patriotic, nationalistic, and they don't forget their heritage. As I said, this is a different way

    Weren't these people born in the US and living here thier whole lives? These aren't overseas Chinese citizens like you're talking about.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Mon Feb 14 11:02:00 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Dumas Walker to BORAXMAN on Sun Feb 13 2022 11:29 am

    Look at the European soccer teams, they are full of people born elsewhere. I think it has shocked Americans because it is happening the other way aro someone in the West going to a non-Western country. The West is supposed be importing everyone from elsewhere, because we are the best, not the oth way around.

    No, I think it is because they are born in one place and are competing *in the Olympics* for another. It is not just US athletes that are making the US news. There are native Canadians who are also now playing for China in the Olympics. The other day, a member of the press was interviewing a Canadian who plays goalie for China in hockey. When they asked her if they could ask, and receive, an answer in English (her native tongue), the Chinese Translator answered for her and said that the Canadian competing
    for China could only answer questions in Mandarin (not her native tongue).

    I believe she is only partially of Chinese heritage.

    The speculation (or maybe knowledge) is that these athletes are being paid by China and/or companies with Chinese ties (like Nike) to represent China.
    Seeing as how the Olympics used to be about amateur athletes, that is another reason for persons turned off by professional involvement in some sports (like basketball) to further question why the Olympics even exist.


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    Athletes would defect to the US back in the Soviet era because they were
    living in harsh conditions despite being (barely) funded by the government to compete. There were stories fo additional pressure to compete where failure w ould make life worse for you and your family. Since the fall of the Soviets, each country had to find their own means to fund their athletes, several relying on private funding.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BORAXMAN on Mon Feb 14 16:47:00 2022
    I don't think they need to be paid. Chinese are patriotic, nationalistic, and
    they don't forget their heritage. As I said, this is a different way of thinking to the Western way, where we only consider Nationality being whatever
    administrative entity you get your paperwork from.

    Most Chinese I know that are born here in the US are decended from people who came here to get away from the CCP, or who consider themselves "Chinese" as
    in ROC (not Communists), OR they decended from people who were here longer
    than that and they consider themselves Americans.

    I know a person who escaped China in the 1970's, via Hong Kong. They are
    proud of their heritage, and will tell you all about it, but there is no way they or their kids would return to what mainland China is now without being paid big $$$.

    If we are talking the sons and daughters of Chinese nationals who are CCP,
    who happened to have kids while living in the US or Canada or elsewhere,
    you are probably very right. I am not sure that is the case for these
    kids, though. I suspect they are being paid to play for Communist China.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andre on Mon Feb 14 17:50:18 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Andre to MRO on Mon Feb 14 2022 06:34 am

    Regardless, it's off topic. China does not allow dual citizenship and requires that they renounce their citizenship. Olympic athletes aren't moving to China for tax reasons.


    china does not RECOGNIZE dual citizenship.

    how do you know tax reasons are not one of the reasons?

    More lately, sure, especially for high earners. But the US isn't exactly known for taxing people to death.

    motherfucker, guess you don't make money in the usa.
    i'm getting taxed up the ass.
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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to MRO on Mon Feb 14 20:56:30 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: MRO to Andre on Mon Feb 14 2022 05:50 pm

    china does not RECOGNIZE dual citizenship.

    That's Article 3. You want to read Arcticle 8: https://www.immd.gov.hk/eng/residents/immigration/chinese/law.html

    "Any person who applies for naturalisation as a Chinese national shall acquire Chinese nationality upon approval of his application; a person whose application for naturalisation as a Chinese national has been approved shall not retain foreign nationality."


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andre on Mon Feb 14 21:44:45 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Andre to MRO on Mon Feb 14 2022 08:56 pm

    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: MRO to Andre on Mon Feb 14 2022 05:50 pm

    china does not RECOGNIZE dual citizenship.

    That's Article 3. You want to read Arcticle 8: https://www.immd.gov.hk/eng/residents/immigration/chinese/law.html

    "Any person who applies for naturalisation as a Chinese national shall acquire Chinese nationality upon approval of his application; a person whose application for naturalisation as a Chinese national has been approved shall not retain foreign nationality."




    "Can you have 2 citizenships in China?
    Chinese citizenship is primarily based upon the principle of jus sanguinis (right of blood). China does not recognize dual citizenship. ... For example, someone born in China to at one Chinese parent and another non-Chinese parent has Chinese citizenship and may acquire another citizenship from the other parent."

    they can get another citizenship via 'jus soli' right of soil aka being born in another country. their parent is a chinese citizen; they are considered chinese according to china
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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to MRO on Tue Feb 15 03:27:20 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: MRO to Andre on Mon Feb 14 2022 09:44 pm

    "Can you have 2 citizenships in China?
    Chinese citizenship is primarily based upon the principle of jus sanguinis (right of blood). China does not recognize dual citizenship. ... For example, someone born in China to at one Chinese parent and another non-Chinese parent has Chinese citizenship and may acquire another citizenship from the other parent."

    I cited the actual Chinese law text. You cited a random site off the internet. Also, since you made a very peculiar snip, here's the spot you skipped. Must have been an oversight on your part.

    "However, it is possible for someone to end up with Chinese dual citizenship under very limited circumstances."
    https://www.dualcitizenship.com/countries/china.html


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Tue Feb 15 03:35:52 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: MRO to Andre on Mon Feb 14 2022 05:50 pm

    motherfucker, guess you don't make money in the usa.
    i'm getting taxed up the ass.

    We Europeans get the idea that you USAns pay low taxes because, by comparison, ours are so much higher.

    If you want to operate any kind of business, even a 3 day charity lemonade stand, you are supposed to pay the equivalent of 342 USD per month (so a 3 day lemonade stand pays 300 USD as an opening business tax, then 342 USD for every month you are opened (I think they started giving you the excess money back if you don't work the full month only recently).

    Then you have to pay the VAT for your merchandise in advance, plus an extra tax ranging between 1.4 and 5% for every merchandise you buy regardless of whether you sell it or it expires in your shelves.

    Some business may get a VAT compensation for unsold merchandise, but small ones which sell to end users don't. Standard end user VAT is 21%. Lemonade is 10% so the end user is paying 21% for the glass and 10% for the lemonade :-)

    The permit for the stand you pay separately. It varies from city to city, but let me advance that it is not cheap.

    The Spanish foundation for the Advancement of Freedom usually establishes the tax liberation day in june or july every year. That means a ramdom Spanish citizen works as much for the government as he does for himself. Probably more.

    Take in consideration that I have not mentioned taxes applied over profits (which would be around 23-40% in a regular business) because the lemonade stand is impossible to be made to generate profits under these conditions. Keep also in mind that the standards of living in Spain are roughly half those in the US so a 645 tax for opening a non-profitable business would be the equivalent of a 1290 USD tax for opening a non profitable business in the US.

    As you can imagine, what everybody does is to run their business underground if they are able to get away with it.


    And this is yet another reason why Spain needs to be fixed with nuclear weapons.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Andre on Tue Feb 15 19:55:06 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Andre to Boraxman on Mon Feb 14 2022 06:36 am

    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on Mon Feb 14 2022 08:10 pm

    I don't think they need to be paid. Chinese are patriotic, nationalisti and they don't forget their heritage. As I said, this is a different wa

    Weren't these people born in the US and living here thier whole lives? These aren't overseas Chinese citizens like you're talking about.


    - Andre


    Doesn't matter. "Chinese Living Abroad" means Chinese. They have Chinese heritage. Being born in the US doesn't change your ethnicity or race.

    I'm born in Australia, but if I go to the country where my grandparents came from, they will STILL consider me as one of them.

    The idea that citizenship is everything is a Western idea. China is not a Western country.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andre on Tue Feb 15 07:27:58 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Andre to MRO on Tue Feb 15 2022 03:27 am

    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: MRO to Andre on Mon Feb 14 2022 09:44 pm

    "Can you have 2 citizenships in China?
    Chinese citizenship is primarily based upon the principle of jus sanguinis (right of blood). China does not recognize dual citizenship. ... For example, someone born in China to at one Chinese parent and another non-Chinese parent has Chinese citizenship and may acquire another citizenship from the other parent."

    I cited the actual Chinese law text. You cited a random site off the internet. Also, since you made a very peculiar snip, here's the spot you skipped. Must have been an oversight on your part.

    "However, it is possible for someone to end up with Chinese dual citizenship under very limited circumstances." https://www.dualcitizenship.com/countries/china.html



    does either of us really give a fuck, though?
    i know i dont.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Tue Feb 15 07:29:43 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Arelor to MRO on Tue Feb 15 2022 03:35 am

    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: MRO to Andre on Mon Feb 14 2022 05:50 pm

    motherfucker, guess you don't make money in the usa.
    i'm getting taxed up the ass.

    We Europeans get the idea that you USAns pay low taxes because, by comparison, ours are so much higher.


    all of our governments tax the shit out of us. they jsut do it in different ways.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Tue Feb 15 08:27:46 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Boraxman to Andre on Tue Feb 15 2022 07:55 pm

    Doesn't matter. "Chinese Living Abroad" means Chinese. They have Chinese heritage. Being born in the US doesn't change your ethnicity or race.

    I'm born in Australia, but if I go to the country where my grandparents came from, they will STILL consider me as one of them.

    The idea that citizenship is everything is a Western idea. China is not a Western country.

    What if you're a mix? If someone is 50% Chinese and 50% something else, would they still say they're Chinese living abroad?

    Nightfox

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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to MRO on Tue Feb 15 09:47:14 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: MRO to Andre on Tue Feb 15 2022 07:27 am

    does either of us really give a fuck, though?
    i know i dont.

    If we can't fight about who's right on the internet, what is the point of life?

    I just don't like ungrateful punk kids turning their backs on us for a country like China.


    - Andre

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  • From the doctor@VERT/QBBSTEST to ANDRE on Tue Feb 15 16:58:00 2022
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    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Mon Feb 14 2022 02:15 am

    most people renounce their citizenship because of tax reasons.
    they get taxed to death.

    More lately, sure, especially for high earners. But the US isn't exactly known for taxing people to death.

    Right now I'm in a situation where the HMRC and the IRS both think I should pay taxees on the same income. Maybe. Fun fun fun...



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tue Feb 15 18:14:41 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Tue Feb 15 2022 08:27 am

    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Boraxman to Andre on Tue Feb 15 2022 07:55 pm

    Doesn't matter. "Chinese Living Abroad" means Chinese. They have Chinese heritage. Being born in the US doesn't change your ethnicity or race.

    I'm born in Australia, but if I go to the country where my grandparents came from, they will STILL consider me as one of them.

    The idea that citizenship is everything is a Western idea. China is not a Western country.

    What if you're a mix? If someone is 50% Chinese and 50% something else, would they still say they're Chinese living abroad?


    well according to china if you have a chinese citizen parent, you are chinese. who knows what really goes on with 'renouncing citizenship'
    i think it all depends on who you are and who you are dealing with.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-13/china-recruits-foreign-born-athletes-to-boost-gold-medal-tally/100818506

    ""Gu herself has remained ambiguous on the topic.

    "I'm American when I'm in the US, and I'm Chinese when I'm in China," she told media in Beijing last week.""

    SO.... that means she's both. maybe china just doesnt recognize it, which is ok.

    china has canadians, americans and a russian on their hockey team. you have to be a citizen of that country to be in the olympics

    so, it's who you are and what you contribute. china does what it wants. you cant wave around a rulebook and say it applies to everyone.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andre on Tue Feb 15 18:15:15 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Andre to MRO on Tue Feb 15 2022 09:47 am

    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: MRO to Andre on Tue Feb 15 2022 07:27 am

    does either of us really give a fuck, though?
    i know i dont.

    If we can't fight about who's right on the internet, what is the point of life?

    I just don't like ungrateful punk kids turning their backs on us for a country like China.



    yeah but china is a better country.
    they just suck at olympics, but not for long.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Nightfox on Wed Feb 16 18:19:58 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Tue Feb 15 2022 08:27 am

    What if you're a mix? If someone is 50% Chinese and 50% something else, wou they still say they're Chinese living abroad?

    Maybe, I'm not to sure about that. I work with a company which has close ties with the Chinese community, and we just refer to them, within the company
    as "Overseas Chinese". Doesn't matter if they are born in Australia or not.

    Political Correctness goes out the window when you need to assess the situation correctly to make a dollar.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Wed Feb 16 18:28:33 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: MRO to Andre on Tue Feb 15 2022 06:15 pm

    yeah but china is a better country.
    they just suck at olympics, but not for long.
    They will outlast the USA, that is for sure.

    China is pushing their young to take up academic interests, to develop themselves, and pushing for them to have a place in the future.

    Young American girls are selling feet pics to pay for horrendous college debt in vain to try and secure a place in a country which is actively pushing them out of society.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Wed Feb 16 05:47:41 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed Feb 16 2022 06:28 pm

    yeah but china is a better country.
    they just suck at olympics, but not for long.
    They will outlast the USA, that is for sure.

    China is pushing their young to take up academic interests, to develop themselves, and pushing for them to have a place in the future.


    yeah, china is just doing better because they work harder and smarter. they took over the most important industrial fields.

    Young American girls are selling feet pics to pay for horrendous college debt in vain to try and secure a place in a country which is actively pushing them out of society.

    butthole pics.
    it's funny. it took a few weeks for women to become complete public whores when covid hit and they got laid off [if they had a job]
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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to MRO on Wed Feb 16 07:03:30 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Wed Feb 16 2022 05:47 am

    butthole pics.
    it's funny. it took a few weeks for women to become complete public whores when covid hit and they got laid off [if they had a job] ---

    Think you can get a grip on the incel/profane nonsense in your last couple messages? Aside from it just being weird, I'd rather not have to make my DOVE-Net general 18+.


    - Andre

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andre on Wed Feb 16 09:09:56 2022
    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: Andre to MRO on Wed Feb 16 2022 07:03 am

    Re: Olympians born in the US
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Wed Feb 16 2022 05:47 am

    butthole pics.
    it's funny. it took a few weeks for women to become complete public whores when covid hit and they got laid off [if they had a job] ---

    Think you can get a grip on the incel/profane nonsense in your last couple messages? Aside from it just being weird, I'd rather not have to make my

    man, you're one of those fags that uses the word incel?
    and you're one of those guys claiming to have kids using his bbs?

    fuck off. just block me.
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