• covid go away day

    From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to All on Fri Jun 11 20:46:00 2021
    Hello All,

    Today marked "day 1" of the beginning of the lifting of the
    "stay at home" order in Ontario. Being in a tourist town that
    serves as a gateway to cottage destinations, *and* being a
    Friday, my town was jam-packed with vehicles pouring through
    all day.

    I operate a small bookshop along the main street. After
    several months of just languishing at the shop and just waiting
    for closing time in the months prior, today seemed like the
    first day I had to actually do any work, such as being civil to
    strangers.

    What I found most interesting though.. is that many of those
    strangers were not wearing masks. I did not mind that myself;
    legally I cannot extricate/remove someone if they choose to not
    wear a mask, and still want to browse or purchase something.
    But it is interesting that most people are treating this "day
    1" as a kind of "covid days are over" thing and there is a
    general sense of freedom regained.


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  • From kf5qeo@VERT/KF5QEO to Ogg on Fri Jun 11 18:37:08 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: Ogg to All on Fri Jun 11 2021 08:46 pm

    What I found most interesting though.. is that many of those
    strangers were not wearing masks. I did not mind that myself;
    legally I cannot extricate/remove someone if they choose to not
    wear a mask, and still want to browse or purchase something.
    But it is interesting that most people are treating this "day
    1" as a kind of "covid days are over" thing and there is a
    general sense of freedom regained.
    How do you know they're not fully vacinated?

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Sat Jun 12 07:03:29 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: Ogg to All on Fri Jun 11 2021 08:46 pm

    Hello All,

    Today marked "day 1" of the beginning of the lifting of the
    "stay at home" order in Ontario. Being in a tourist town that
    serves as a gateway to cottage destinations, *and* being a
    Friday, my town was jam-packed with vehicles pouring through
    all day.

    I operate a small bookshop along the main street. After
    several months of just languishing at the shop and just waiting
    for closing time in the months prior, today seemed like the
    first day I had to actually do any work, such as being civil to
    strangers.

    What I found most interesting though.. is that many of those
    strangers were not wearing masks. I did not mind that myself;
    legally I cannot extricate/remove someone if they choose to not
    wear a mask, and still want to browse or purchase something.
    But it is interesting that most people are treating this "day
    1" as a kind of "covid days are over" thing and there is a
    general sense of freedom regained.

    Yeah, I have noticed somethign similar in Spain too.

    When the Government claimed emergency powers, everybody pissed their pants and started being extra careful. When the government gave emergency powers up, everybody started flooding the streets, just as if the state of emergency and the pandemic ere the same thing, and the government giving up was the signal to start having wildnight parties again.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to kf5qeo on Sat Jun 12 09:35:00 2021
    Hello kf5qeo!

    ** On Friday 11.06.21 - 18:37, kf5qeo wrote to Ogg:

    What I found most interesting though.. is that many of those
    strangers were not wearing masks. I did not mind that myself;

    [...]

    How do you know they're not fully vacinated?

    It's all good. I don't want to know. It's none of my business
    to know people's medical histories.

    I've seen people proudly wearing a "I've got the Covid shot"
    sticker on their clothes (often, just shortly after they've
    visited a vaxx site - where the nurses apparently slap one onto
    people without asking first.)


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Sat Jun 12 09:44:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Saturday 12.06.21 - 07:03, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    When the Government claimed emergency powers, everybody
    pissed their pants and started being extra careful. When
    the government gave emergency powers up, everybody started
    flooding the streets, just as if the state of emergency and
    the pandemic ere the same thing, and the government giving
    up was the signal to start having wildnight parties again.

    Generally, most people are still being respectful with
    distancing - and not coughing and sneezing openly - which is
    probably a good thing - but everyone sofar has been healthy,
    starting to tan, wearing light or few pieces of clothing.. :D

    I haven't heard of wildnight parties yet.. but stories of such
    should surface in the media after this weekend is over, for
    sure - if only to still stir the fears that "gatherings" (of
    healthy people), and to be happy are a bad behaviour.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sat Jun 12 19:59:49 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: Ogg to All on Fri Jun 11 2021 08:46 pm

    Today marked "day 1" of the beginning of the lifting of the
    "stay at home" order in Ontario. Being in a tourist town that
    serves as a gateway to cottage destinations, *and* being a
    Friday, my town was jam-packed with vehicles pouring through
    all day.

    enjoy it while it lasts. you will have another lock down probably.
    and it wont do any good like all the others.

    What I found most interesting though.. is that many of those
    strangers were not wearing masks. I did not mind that myself;
    legally I cannot extricate/remove someone if they choose to not
    wear a mask, and still want to browse or purchase something.
    But it is interesting that most people are treating this "day
    1" as a kind of "covid days are over" thing and there is a
    general sense of freedom regained.

    what i find interesting is people think these masks and bandanas and gaitors actually work. they do not work. you can still smell through them, right? then that means they dont work. covid can get in there. also you can touch something with covid on it and touch your eye or whatever and there you are exposed.

    masks were established to make people feel like they have control.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to kf5qeo on Sat Jun 12 20:01:59 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: kf5qeo to Ogg on Fri Jun 11 2021 06:37 pm

    How do you know they're not fully vacinated?

    John Guillory

    another thing is they probably have antibodies. that shit was over in canada running rampant in 2019. real antibodies, not the vaccine.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sat Jun 12 20:04:46 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Sat Jun 12 2021 09:44 am


    I haven't heard of wildnight parties yet.. but stories of such
    should surface in the media after this weekend is over, for
    sure - if only to still stir the fears that "gatherings" (of
    healthy people), and to be happy are a bad behaviour.


    i've been eating stripper ass since covid and i've been fine.

    my mom who religiously got the flu vaccine and got sick every year regardless died of covid despite wearing gloves and a mask. she even wore it in the house.

    she died on her birthday christmas week.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Sat Jun 12 16:18:00 2021
    Ogg wrote to All <=-

    But it is interesting that most people are treating this "day
    1" as a kind of "covid days are over" thing and there is a
    general sense of freedom regained.

    That doesn't bode well for COVID-21.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jun 13 01:25:02 2021
    Re: Re: covid go away day
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Sat Jun 12 2021 04:18 pm

    Ogg wrote to All <=-

    But it is interesting that most people are treating this "day
    1" as a kind of "covid days are over" thing and there is a
    general sense of freedom regained.

    That doesn't bode well for COVID-21.


    we have h5n1 and h7n9 to look forward to! thank god for science expert fauci! he will protect us with lockdowns
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to kf5qeo on Sun Jun 13 07:50:51 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: kf5qeo to Ogg on Fri Jun 11 2021 06:37 pm

    Re: covid go away day
    By: Ogg to All on Fri Jun 11 2021 08:46 pm

    What I found most interesting though.. is that many of those
    strangers were not wearing masks. I did not mind that myself;
    legally I cannot extricate/remove someone if they choose to not
    wear a mask, and still want to browse or purchase something.
    But it is interesting that most people are treating this "day
    1" as a kind of "covid days are over" thing and there is a
    general sense of freedom regained.
    How do you know they're not fully vacinated?


    Being vaccinated is no excuse for beign carefuless, imo.

    Vaccines are not perfect shields, and you can still pass the disease to others even if you got the
    shots.

    I have heard of a nursing home in which there was a mini-outbreak among vaccinated elders. I bet
    the batch of vaccines was defective or, most likely, they broke the cold chain during transport and
    ruined it.

    On the other hand, I don't have much faith in masks. Yesterday I unloaded three tonnes of hay. Once
    I finished, I removed the mask, and the thing was full of dust and pieces of hay _inside_.

    Given this, vaccine of no vaccine, mask or no mask, I am going to wait quite a long time before I
    organize yet another RPG party.



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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Sun Jun 13 12:13:16 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: MRO to Ogg on Sat Jun 12 2021 07:59 pm

    enjoy it while it lasts. you will have another lock down probably.
    and it wont do any good like all the others.

    What I found most interesting though.. is that many of those
    strangers were not wearing masks. I did not mind that myself;
    legally I cannot extricate/remove someone if they choose to not
    wear a mask, and still want to browse or purchase something.
    But it is interesting that most people are treating this "day
    1" as a kind of "covid days are over" thing and there is a
    general sense of freedom regained.

    what i find interesting is people think these masks and bandanas and gaitors actually work. they do not work. you can still smell through them, right? then that means they dont work. covid can get in there. also you can touch something with covid on it and touch your eye or whatever and there you are exposed.

    masks were established to make people feel like they have control.

    It appears as though "Freedom Day" in the UK has been delayed by 4 weeks or possibly outright cancelled. I have a feeling that the goverment will circumvent this by imposing a 'Health Passport' solution to allow those who have been vaccinated unrestricted movement.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Sun Jun 13 18:46:09 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Sun Jun 13 2021 12:13 pm

    It appears as though "Freedom Day" in the UK has been delayed by 4 weeks or possibly outright cancelled. I have a feeling that the goverment will circumvent this by imposing a 'Health Passport' solution to allow those who have been vaccinated unrestricted movement.

    even a health passport wont do any good. they need to do a test on people right there whenever they touch ground. travel is our biggest enemy and what spreads shit over the world so quick.

    things are not the same all over. there are bacterias and viruses here in the usa that respond well to treatment. there are variants overseas that have the opposite effect.

    if we had some type of cheap instantaneous travel system we would all be wiped out in 10 years. the bugs would run rampant.
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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Sun Jun 13 19:32:36 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: MRO to Ogg on Sat Jun 12 2021 07:59 pm

    what i find interesting is people think these masks and bandanas and gaitors actually work. they do not work. you can still smell through them, right? then that means they dont work. covid can get in there. also you

    Masks/gaitors/bandanas are meant to prevent water droplets from spreading out into the air from your respiratory system and/or your big mouth. There are loads of scientific studies performed over many years that show such things work.

    Do they work as well as surgical masks? fuck no. but they do work better than nothing at all. Had everyone worn a mask any time they were out of their house that was at least 70% effective, our death rate would have been 10-25% of what it is now.

    can touch something with covid on it and touch your eye or whatever and there you are exposed.

    While yes, that's true, it turns out it's not the primary way Covid-19 is spread and it's far less likely to happen than was originally thought. Also, how do you think that item got the coronavirus on it? That's right, someone not wearing a mask coughed, sneezed, or had a loud fucking phone conversation near it.

    masks were established to make people feel like they have control.

    Come on man, You're too smart to buy into the conspiracy theory bullshit. People create conspiracy theories like this because THEY want to feel like they have some kind of control.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Sun Jun 13 23:53:27 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Sun Jun 13 2021 07:32 pm

    Masks/gaitors/bandanas are meant to prevent water droplets from spreading out into the air from your respiratory system and/or your big mouth. There are loads of scientific studies performed over many years that show such things work.


    ohhh the droplet bullshit. i've heard that a lot.

    Do they work as well as surgical masks? fuck no. but they do work better than nothing at all. Had everyone worn a mask any time they were out of their house that was at least 70% effective, our death rate would have been 10-25% of what it is now.


    i heard that bullshit too.

    While yes, that's true, it turns out it's not the primary way Covid-19 is spread and it's far less likely to happen than was originally thought.
    Also, how do you think that item got the coronavirus on it? That's right, someone not wearing a mask coughed, sneezed, or had a loud fucking phone conversation near it.

    we havent been told the truth about covid. when some truth comes out, it gets squashed.

    masks dont work. they have been proven to not work. when people were all masked up, nothing happened to stop the numbers.

    then joe biden became president and overnight it got better. why? because the media.

    masks were established to make people feel like they have control.

    Come on man, You're too smart to buy into the conspiracy theory bullshit. People create conspiracy theories like this because THEY want to feel like they have some kind of control.


    i'm too smart to NOT buy into it. this was all planned and you can go back and see them talking about it.
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Thu Jun 17 00:17:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Saturday 12.06.21 - 20:04, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    my mom who religiously got the flu vaccine and got sick every year regardless died of covid despite wearing gloves and a mask. she even wore it in the house.

    she died on her birthday christmas week.

    I recall that news. Wearing the mask in one's own house seems
    strange though. Maybe it goes to show how fear was successfully
    cast upon some of the public. Perhaps the added stress of the
    "bug on the lose" and "if you get it you will die" narrative
    triggers the stress that actually contributes to poor health.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Thu Jun 17 00:32:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Saturday 12.06.21 - 19:59, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    Today marked "day 1" of the beginning of the lifting of the
    [...]
    Friday, my town was jam-packed with vehicles pouring through
    all day.

    enjoy it while it lasts. you will have another lock down probably.
    and it wont do any good like all the others.

    So far, coming up to end of week one of the lifting. Things wrt
    foot-traffic in small independent stores is improving. But I
    haven't done much casual shopping at other shops myself.

    what i find interesting is people think these masks and bandanas and gaitors actually work. they do not work. you can still smell through them, right? then that means they dont work. covid can get in there.

    Hmmm. I don't think anyone talked about the smell test! <g>

    But typically, the masks (and gloves) that DRs and nurses use
    in operating rooms are to protect the patient from getting
    something from those people poking around your body and
    infecting the internals. Likewise.. the covid mask wearer is
    just helping to reduce the likely-hood of spreading the
    contents of a cough or sneeze. Normal breathing does not
    transmit that "thing".

    also you can touch something with covid on it and touch your eye or whatever and there you are exposed.

    True. It's the same with any other virus, particularly the
    typical cold and flu that resurfaces every year. BUT, how does
    that covid-laden substance end up on any surface in the first
    place? I will usually be from someone who coughed or sneezed.

    So.. there probably is nothing to worry about if you are
    surrounded by people who bear no symptoms of a cold or flu.

    masks were established to make people feel like they have control.

    That narrative fed my the "experts" seems to have worked. "Wear
    the mask. Protect yourself from the DEADLY virus. ICUs are
    filling up fast. The elderly are particularly VULNERABLE. It
    can spread to LOVED ONES." There are no words of hope in their
    messages.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Thu Jun 17 05:34:35 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: Ogg to MRO on Thu Jun 17 2021 12:17 am


    I recall that news. Wearing the mask in one's own house seems
    strange though. Maybe it goes to show how fear was successfully
    cast upon some of the public. Perhaps the added stress of the
    "bug on the lose" and "if you get it you will die" narrative
    triggers the stress that actually contributes to poor health.

    well, she wore it when people she knew visited. people that were still in her 'circle'. didnt work.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Thu Jun 17 05:36:37 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: Ogg to MRO on Thu Jun 17 2021 12:32 am

    something from those people poking around your body and
    infecting the internals. Likewise.. the covid mask wearer is
    just helping to reduce the likely-hood of spreading the
    contents of a cough or sneeze. Normal breathing does not
    transmit that "thing".


    how do you know? i got a cold without someone sneezing on me.
    they may have breathed on me from a far distance.

    you dont know.

    covid didnt spread like wildfire because people were soaking eachother in mucuous.
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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Fri Jun 18 12:04:14 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Sun Jun 13 2021 06:46 pm

    It appears as though "Freedom Day" in the UK has been delayed by 4 weeks or possibly outright cancelled. I have a feeling that the goverment will circumvent this by imposing a 'Health Passport' solution to allow those who have been vaccinated unrestricted movement.

    even a health passport wont do any good. they need to do a test on people right there whenever they touch ground. travel is our biggest enemy and what spreads shit over the world so quick.

    things are not the same all over. there are bacterias and viruses here in the usa that respond well to treatment. there are variants overseas that have the opposite effect.

    if we had some type of cheap instantaneous travel system we would all be wiped out in 10 years. the bugs would run rampant.

    Well if that's the case we just have to get on with living our lives. The elderly, along with people who have serious pre-existing health conditions, should take extra precautions but everyone else should eat healthy, exercise and make sure they have strong immune systems.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Andeddu on Fri Jun 18 15:01:41 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Fri Jun 18 2021 12:04 pm

    Re: covid go away day
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Sun Jun 13 2021 06:46 pm

    It appears as though "Freedom Day" in the UK has been delayed by 4 weeks or possibly outri
    cancelled. I have a feeling that the goverment will circumvent this by imposing a 'Health
    Passport' solution to allow those who have been vaccinated unrestricted movement.

    even a health passport wont do any good. they need to do a test on people right there wheneve
    they touch ground. travel is our biggest enemy and what spreads shit over the world so quic

    things are not the same all over. there are bacterias and viruses here in the usa that respo
    well to treatment. there are variants overseas that have the opposite effect.

    if we had some type of cheap instantaneous travel system we would all be wiped out in 10 year
    the bugs would run rampant.

    Well if that's the case we just have to get on with living our lives. The elderly, along with
    people who have serious pre-existing health conditions, should take extra precautions but everyo
    else should eat healthy, exercise and make sure they have strong immune systems.


    MRO brings a valid point. One of the reasons bees are so screwed up nowadays is precisely that we
    humans are moving them around a whole lot. For more references, watch the documentary More than
    Honey.

    The issue is that apicultors need to keep their hives moving because they have so many bees and
    they chase the most favorable plantations for their bees. If in a given month the best sort of
    flower for the bees is X, they will move to a plantation where such flower is plentiful. Three
    months later that flower's season will be over, so they will cross the country looking for the next
    good flower in season. The end result is that the same set of hives ends up being loaded in a truck
    and travelling through the country multiple times per year.

    This leads to itinerant hives getting parasytes and diseases that they end up passing to local bee
    populations, and vice versa.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Sat Jun 19 11:00:08 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Fri Jun 18 2021 12:04 pm

    things are not the same all over. there are bacterias and viruses here in the usa that respond well to treatment. there are variants overseas that have the opposite effect.

    if we had some type of cheap instantaneous travel system we would all be wiped out in 10 years. the bugs would run rampant.

    Well if that's the case we just have to get on with living our lives. The elderly, along with people who have serious pre-existing health conditions, should take extra precautions but everyone else should eat healthy, exercise and make sure they have strong immune systems.

    you're missing the point.

    travel=bad
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Sat Jun 19 11:02:25 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: Arelor to Andeddu on Fri Jun 18 2021 03:01 pm

    have so many bees and they chase the most favorable plantations for their bees. If in a given month the best sort of flower for the bees is X, they will move to a plantation where such flower is plentiful. Three months later that flower's season will be over, so they will cross the country looking for the next good flower in season. The end result is that the same set of hives ends up being loaded in a truck and travelling through the country multiple times per year.

    This leads to itinerant hives getting parasytes and diseases that they end up passing to local bee populations, and vice versa.


    yeah that's a great example. our bees are being 'farmed' excessively and we are all paying the price. it's not natural.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sun Jun 20 08:47:00 2021
    yeah that's a great example. our bees are being 'farmed' excessively and we are
    all paying the price. it's not natural.

    People think it is natural because it involves bees, but that kind of
    travel is not natural.

    People come up with a lot of "good" (and sometimes not-so-good) ideas that
    seem harmless enough but that are eventually going to get us all killed.

    -- transporting bees long distances
    -- wet markets
    -- "upscaling" viruses
    -- etc.


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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Sun Jun 20 17:16:45 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Sat Jun 19 2021 11:00 am

    if we had some type of cheap instantaneous travel system we would all be wiped out in 10 years. the bugs would run rampant.

    Well if that's the case we just have to get on with living our lives. The elderly, along with people who have serious pre-existing health conditions, should take extra precautions but everyone else should eat healthy, exercise and make sure they have strong immune systems.

    you're missing the point.

    travel=bad

    I don't think you're giving the human immune system enough credit here. People have been travelling cross-continent for centuries and although we have seen various plagues we have never come across something that could threaten our entire existence as a species. As humans catch virusus and infections, our immune systems evolve and the species becomes stronger and more resistant to different strains and mutations.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Arelor on Sun Jun 20 17:25:18 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: Arelor to Andeddu on Fri Jun 18 2021 03:01 pm

    MRO brings a valid point. One of the reasons bees are so screwed up nowadays is precisely that we
    humans are moving them around a whole lot. For more references, watch the documentary More than
    Honey.

    The issue is that apicultors need to keep their hives moving because they have so many bees and
    they chase the most favorable plantations for their bees. If in a given month the best sort of
    flower for the bees is X, they will move to a plantation where such flower is plentiful. Three
    months later that flower's season will be over, so they will cross the country looking for the next
    good flower in season. The end result is that the same set of hives ends up being loaded in a truck
    and travelling through the country multiple times per year.

    This leads to itinerant hives getting parasytes and diseases that they end up passing to local bee
    populations, and vice versa.

    Humans are also a problem to the bee population due to modern pesticides which are very harmful along with GMO crops. It has been reported that CCD (colony collapse disorder) may be caused by genetically engineered crops and plant-produced pesticides. It is also known in the US that honey bee colonies are being fed GE corn syrups and genetically engineered food residues which are at least partly responsible for killing honeybees.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Sun Jun 20 16:25:05 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Sun Jun 20 2021 05:16 pm

    travel=bad

    I don't think you're giving the human immune system enough credit here. People have been travelling cross-continent for centuries and although we have seen various plagues we have never come across something that could threaten our entire existence as a species. As humans catch virusus and infections, our immune systems evolve and the species becomes stronger and more resistant to different strains and mutations.


    like i said, shit is different over there. antibiotics work different on some things. in some cases treatments make it even stronger.
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  • From Elf@VERT/DMINE to ANDEDDU on Sun Jun 20 20:52:00 2021
    Quoting Andeddu to Arelor <=-

    Humans are also a problem to the bee population due to modern
    pesticides which are very harmful along with GMO crops. It has been reported that CCD (colony collapse disorder) may be caused by
    genetically engineered crops and plant-produced pesticides. It is also known in the US that honey bee colonies are being fed GE corn syrups
    and genetically engineered food residues which are at least partly responsible for killing honeybees.

    And assuming all the above is true, this should be a warning that
    *maybe* genetically modifying our food is not a good idea. We need to do
    more to live with nature instead of bending and manipulating it to our
    will. Having said that, I also feel it's too late. You can't take my computer(s) away from me and whatever deadly process we used to make
    them. LOL :-)

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Elf on Tue Jun 22 23:40:31 2021
    Re: covid go away day
    By: Elf to ANDEDDU on Sun Jun 20 2021 08:52 pm

    And assuming all the above is true, this should be a warning that
    *maybe* genetically modifying our food is not a good idea. We need to do more to live with nature instead of bending and manipulating it to our
    will. Having said that, I also feel it's too late. You can't take my computer(s) away from me and whatever deadly process we used to make
    them. LOL :-)

    ~Elf

    I agree. GMO crops and powerful pesticides have played havok with the eco-system. There is also the problem with GMO seeds, which are patented, causing cross-pollincation with other natural plants resulting in fines for organic crop farmers. The majority of our crops are contolled by very few companies now and the last thing anyone should wish for is a food monopoly/duopoly. Farmers who purchase GMO seeds sign an agreemnt to purchase new seed each year and MUST NOT save seeds from their crops to plant the following year. It's quite unnatural and I am against it as the corporations are in control rather than the farmers themselves.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Andeddu on Mon Jul 26 19:49:00 2021
    Hello Andeddu!

    ** On Tuesday 22.06.21 - 23:40, Andeddu wrote to Elf:

    [...] GMO crops and powerful pesticides have played havok
    with the eco-system. There is also the problem with GMO
    seeds, which are patented, causing cross-pollincation with
    other natural plants resulting in fines for organic crop
    farmers.

    Wrt fines, the process of law should have protected the organic
    grower, not the companies that plant their invasive gmo'd
    variety next to the unassuming farmer's crops. I'm astonished
    that the courts seem to side with the likes of Monsanto and
    don't look at the issue of cross-pollination as an uncontrolled
    consequence that cannot be pinned on the organic farmer.

    The majority of our crops are contolled by very few
    companies now and the last thing anyone should wish for is
    a food monopoly/duopoly.

    I think there has been a growing awareness of the problem, and
    more and more farmers are turning down contracts with the gmo
    producers.

    Farmers who purchase GMO seeds sign an agreemnt to purchase
    new seed each year and MUST NOT save seeds from their crops
    to plant the following year. It's quite unnatural and I am
    against it as the corporations are in control rather than
    the farmers themselves.

    I think the reason to not use (or save) the seeds is that those
    seeds are not necessarily as robust (full spec) as the
    initially treated ones.


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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Ogg on Wed Jul 28 17:49:03 2021
    Re: GMO crops and powerful pesticides have played havok
    By: Ogg to Andeddu on Mon Jul 26 2021 07:49 pm

    Wrt fines, the process of law should have protected the organic
    grower, not the companies that plant their invasive gmo'd
    variety next to the unassuming farmer's crops. I'm astonished
    that the courts seem to side with the likes of Monsanto and
    don't look at the issue of cross-pollination as an uncontrolled
    consequence that cannot be pinned on the organic farmer.

    I think there has been a growing awareness of the problem, and
    more and more farmers are turning down contracts with the gmo
    producers.

    I think the reason to not use (or save) the seeds is that those
    seeds are not necessarily as robust (full spec) as the
    initially treated ones.


    The courts side with the multi-nationals because they've been lobbying for decades and have pushed legislation to protect them and their businesses. The future will be GMO farming for the masses as swathes of land have been purchased by people like Bill Gates who are heavily invested in GMO crops and synthetic meat products. Organic produce is soon going to be too expensive for even the middle classes to purchase.

    We've been seeing abnormally warm weather decimate crop yields... I wonder if GMO crops fared better in the heat.

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