• Dune 2021

    From Ticbow@VERT/AMIGAC to All on Wed Dec 1 01:58:55 2021
    Has anybody seen they new dune yet? I thought it was brilliant and that the VFX were honestly groundbreaking, but I'm interested to hear your thoughts on it.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ticbow on Wed Dec 1 05:59:43 2021
    Re: Dune 2021
    By: Ticbow to All on Wed Dec 01 2021 01:58 am

    Has anybody seen they new dune yet? I thought it was brilliant and that the VFX were honestly groundbreaking, but I'm interested to hear your thoughts on it.

    i'm a big dune fan and i have a dune tattoo, actually.
    didnt like the movie. i tried to watch it 3 times.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Wed Dec 1 08:30:00 2021
    MRO wrote to Ticbow <=-

    i'm a big dune fan and i have a dune tattoo, actually.
    didnt like the movie. i tried to watch it 3 times.

    I'm still scarred from the original Dune movie (with Sting).


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  • From Sys64738@VERT/TXNET1 to Ticbow on Wed Dec 1 08:39:37 2021
    Re: Dune 2021
    By: Ticbow to All on Wed Dec 01 2021 01:58:55

    Has anybody seen they new dune yet? I thought it was brilliant and that the VFX were honestly groundbreaking, but I'm interested to hear your thoughts on it.

    Nope, but I am certainly interested to see it. I'll probably catch it on a pirated channel or the like.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Dr. What on Wed Dec 1 13:29:14 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Wed Dec 01 2021 08:30 am

    MRO wrote to Ticbow <=-

    i'm a big dune fan and i have a dune tattoo, actually.
    didnt like the movie. i tried to watch it 3 times.

    I'm still scarred from the original Dune movie (with Sting).


    ... You have two choices for dinner: Take it or Leave it.

    But hey, it gave birth to endless spin-off products, such as the Dune and Dune II
    videogames.

    I don'd think Lynch's film was that bad. It tried to cram so much plot within a single
    movie in a day and age in which it was less acceptable to produce long movie sagas. IN
    fact, I am surprised they didn't remake Dune as a 5 or 6 movie series :-P


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Wed Dec 1 12:27:15 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to Dr. What on Wed Dec 01 2021 01:29 pm

    But hey, it gave birth to endless spin-off products, such as the Dune and Dune II videogames.

    In 1992 or 1993, I downloaded Dune 2 from a local BBS. I realized it seemed to be the full version, and perhaps the BBS shouldn't have been offering the full verison for download.. But it was a fun game. And later, the Command & Conquer games seemed to take inspiration from Dune 2.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Thu Dec 2 00:08:05 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Wed Dec 01 2021 08:30 am

    MRO wrote to Ticbow <=-

    i'm a big dune fan and i have a dune tattoo, actually.
    didnt like the movie. i tried to watch it 3 times.

    I'm still scarred from the original Dune movie (with Sting).


    it was some weird stuff, and the bad guy was real gross.
    the books are freaking weird, too.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Thu Dec 2 00:13:12 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to Dr. What on Wed Dec 01 2021 01:29 pm

    But hey, it gave birth to endless spin-off products, such as the Dune and Dune II videogames.


    those games were decent.

    I don'd think Lynch's film was that bad. It tried to cram so much plot within a single movie in a day and age in which it was less acceptable to produce long movie sagas. IN fact, I am surprised they didn't remake Dune as a 5 or 6 movie series :-P


    dune was an impossible project and i'm surprised he got it to the theaters. also 2:17 is super super long for a movie back then. now it's the norm.

    lynch will not talk about dune and he will not do a directors cut.
    they really pissed him off good.

    actors were signed to 3 movies. it really should have been 3 movies. it wouldnt have worked as 3, but with all the content they should have added, it NEEDED to be 3 movies.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Thu Dec 2 03:19:47 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Wed Dec 01 2021 12:27 pm

    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to Dr. What on Wed Dec 01 2021 01:29 pm

    But hey, it gave birth to endless spin-off products, such as the Dune a Dune II videogames.

    In 1992 or 1993, I downloaded Dune 2 from a local BBS. I realized it seemed be the full version, and perhaps the BBS shouldn't have been offering the fu verison for download.. But it was a fun game. And later, the Command & Conquer games seemed to take inspiration from Dune 2.

    Nightfox


    Command and Conquer was made by the same people who made Dune 2. To all intents and purposes, Command and Conquer is the actual sucessor of Dune 2.

    I loved the Harkonen ending in which you walk into the Emperor's palace and shoot him in the face :-)

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Arelor on Thu Dec 2 08:22:00 2021
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    I don'd think Lynch's film was that bad. It tried to cram so much plot within a single movie in a day and age in which it was less acceptable
    to produce long movie sagas. IN fact, I am surprised they didn't remake Dune as a 5 or 6 movie series :-P

    I think you hit the target as to why the first one was so bad.

    You simply cannot do justice to Dune with a single movie. It just won't work.

    I do remember watching parts of a Dune miniseries (SciFi channel, I think) many years ago that did much better. (But I moved and didn't have access to that channel to keep watching.)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Thu Dec 2 09:08:55 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Thu Dec 02 2021 03:19 am

    Command and Conquer was made by the same people who made Dune 2. To all intents and purposes, Command and Conquer is the actual sucessor of Dune 2.

    Yes, I remember them being made by the same company (Westwood). For a while I thought Command & Conquer was supposed to be an actual successor to Dune 2, even though it had a different story.

    I loved the Harkonen ending in which you walk into the Emperor's palace and shoot him in the face :-)

    I never did play Dune 2 through to the end.

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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Dr. What on Thu Dec 2 08:15:04 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Wed Dec 01 2021 08:30 am

    i'm a big dune fan and i have a dune tattoo, actually.
    didnt like the movie. i tried to watch it 3 times.

    I'm still scarred from the original Dune movie (with Sting).

    The original Dune was horrible, especially the six hour director's cut. The new one is pretty good.

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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Arelor on Thu Dec 2 08:18:05 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to Dr. What on Wed Dec 01 2021 01:29 pm

    But hey, it gave birth to endless spin-off products, such as the Dune and Dune II videogames.

    https://www.openra.net/

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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Nightfox on Thu Dec 2 08:19:06 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Wed Dec 01 2021 12:27 pm

    But hey, it gave birth to endless spin-off products, such as the Dune and Dune II videogames.

    In 1992 or 1993, I downloaded Dune 2 from a local BBS. I realized it seemed to be the full version, and perhaps the BBS shouldn't have been offering the full verison for download.. But it was a fun game. And later, the Command & Conquer games seemed to take inspiration from Dune 2.

    Dune 2000 which was Dune 2 multiplayer and expanded basically was pretty amazing. That open RA link I just sent has a remake of that and all the C&C games.

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  • From Ticbow@VERT/AMIGAC to MRO on Thu Dec 2 11:43:01 2021
    Re: Dune 2021
    By: MRO to Ticbow on Wed Dec 01 2021 05:59:43

    i'm a big dune fan and i have a dune tattoo, actually.
    didnt like the movie. i tried to watch it 3 times.

    That's fair enough, do you mind sharing what you didn't like about it?

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Lizard Master on Thu Dec 2 23:47:22 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: The Lizard Master to Dr. What on Thu Dec 02 2021 08:15 am


    i'm a big dune fan and i have a dune tattoo, actually.
    didnt like the movie. i tried to watch it 3 times.

    I'm still scarred from the original Dune movie (with Sting).

    The original Dune was horrible, especially the six hour director's cut. The new one is pretty good.



    did you see the six hour director's cut?
    because it doesn't exist. the director didn't want anything to do with it.

    "Contrary to popular rumors, no 6-hours long director's cut, ever existed. The only "director's cut" of the film was the one shown theatrically; Lynch never had a hand in any other version of Dune."

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087182/alternateversions

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ticbow on Thu Dec 2 23:48:54 2021
    Re: RE: Dune 2021
    By: Ticbow to MRO on Thu Dec 02 2021 11:43 am

    Re: Dune 2021
    By: MRO to Ticbow on Wed Dec 01 2021 05:59:43

    i'm a big dune fan and i have a dune tattoo, actually.
    didnt like the movie. i tried to watch it 3 times.

    That's fair enough, do you mind sharing what you didn't like about it?

    i didn't like the acting, the changes they made to the story and the pace.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Fri Dec 3 03:32:43 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Thu Dec 02 2021 09:08 am

    I loved the Harkonen ending in which you walk into the Emperor's palace and shoot him in the face :-)

    I never did play Dune 2 through to the end.

    Nightfox


    How much did you actually play?

    I think things got interesting when you got access to starports. You could order units in bulk as they became available. This means you could order 4 air units all of a sudden in a crucial moment, or rocket launchers, or some other strategic unit. It was very intense for such an old game.

    I also liked the Harkonen ultimate weapon: The Nuclear Weapon of Ultimate Destruction that Obliterates the Good Guys Left and RIght! (also known as The Hand of Death).

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to The Lizard Master on Fri Dec 3 03:35:49 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: The Lizard Master to Dr. What on Thu Dec 02 2021 08:15 am

    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Wed Dec 01 2021 08:30 am

    i'm a big dune fan and i have a dune tattoo, actually.
    didnt like the movie. i tried to watch it 3 times.

    I'm still scarred from the original Dune movie (with Sting).

    The original Dune was horrible, especially the six hour director's cut. The new one is pretty good.

    ---TLM


    "Horrible" is too strong a word, in my opinion. I personally reserve "Horrible" for those movies that were so bad that they kicked them out of hell. Among those, I count Night Train to Venice, The Beast of Yucca Flats and Blueberry.

    LynchĘ Dune was just an attempt that fell short, in comparison.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to The Lizard Master on Fri Dec 3 03:37:52 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: The Lizard Master to Arelor on Thu Dec 02 2021 08:18 am

    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to Dr. What on Wed Dec 01 2021 01:29 pm

    But hey, it gave birth to endless spin-off products, such as the Dune and Dune II videogames.

    https://www.openra.net/

    ---TLM


    I am aware of Openra. There are also FOSS engines for playing Dune 2. However, they are not preservation projects but an attempt to build a multiplayer experience on those old games.

    Which is a legit thing to do, but not of much interest for me.

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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to MRO on Fri Dec 3 08:37:36 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: MRO to The Lizard Master on Thu Dec 02 2021 11:47 pm

    The original Dune was horrible, especially the six hour director's cut. The new one is pretty good.



    did you see the six hour director's cut?
    because it doesn't exist. the director didn't want anything to do with it.

    "Contrary to popular rumors, no 6-hours long director's cut, ever existed. The only "director's cut" of the film was the one shown theatrically; Lynch never had a hand in any other version of Dune."

    Huh, I don't know. My college roomate had some VHS tape that was the supposed directors cut. I'll ask him what that was about, but maybe he had some renegade editor cut ha. I just remember wanting it to be good so badly and it just was a slow kind of torture.

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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to MRO on Fri Dec 3 08:43:06 2021
    Re: RE: Dune 2021
    By: MRO to Ticbow on Thu Dec 02 2021 11:48 pm

    That's fair enough, do you mind sharing what you didn't like about it?

    i didn't like the acting, the changes they made to the story and the pace.

    The pace was kind of weird. The first 50 minutes are the first ten pages of a 500 page book. But I still enjoyed it.

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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Arelor on Fri Dec 3 08:44:18 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Fri Dec 03 2021 03:32 am

    I also liked the Harkonen ultimate weapon: The Nuclear Weapon of Ultimate Destruction that Obliterates the Good Guys Left and RIght! (also known as The Hand of Death).

    In Dune 2000, the voice says "Death Hand Missle Prepping!"

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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Arelor on Fri Dec 3 08:46:14 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to The Lizard Master on Fri Dec 03 2021 03:37 am

    I am aware of Openra. There are also FOSS engines for playing Dune 2. However, they are not preservation projects but an attempt to build a multiplayer experience on those old games.

    Which is a legit thing to do, but not of much interest for me.

    Dune 2000 was a Westwood game, it is actually a pretty close representation of the original. Although, besides the random crashes that would happen, I do still overall prefer the original.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Arelor on Fri Dec 3 08:25:00 2021
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    "Horrible" is too strong a word, in my opinion. I personally reserve "Horrible" for those movies that were so bad that they kicked them out
    of hell. Among those, I count Night Train to Venice, The Beast of Yucca Flats and Blueberry.

    Lynchş Dune was just an attempt that fell short, in comparison.

    It fell short because there was no way to do the story in a 2 hour movie.

    I remember reading about the movie being made and it should have been 6 hours long - and even then, it wouldn't get most of the story.

    I agree with your "falling short" assessment. You can't tell a 12 hour story in 2 hours. It just won't work.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Fri Dec 3 09:10:34 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Fri Dec 03 2021 03:32 am

    I never did play Dune 2 through to the end.

    How much did you actually play?

    It was so long ago, and I don't remember for sure now.

    Nightfox

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to The Lizard Master on Fri Dec 3 13:07:33 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: The Lizard Master to Arelor on Fri Dec 03 2021 08:46 am

    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to The Lizard Master on Fri Dec 03 2021 03:37 am

    I am aware of Openra. There are also FOSS engines for playing Dune 2. However, they are not preservation projects but an attempt to build a multiplayer experience on those old games.

    Which is a legit thing to do, but not of much interest for me.

    Dune 2000 was a Westwood game, it is actually a pretty close representation the original. Although, besides the random crashes that would happen, I do still overall prefer the original.

    ---TLM


    I have heard the 2000 version had some balance changes but I never looked to deep into that.

    I hope at least the controls were better. The original versionĘ main issue was having to select and command the units one by one. A lot like the original Warcraft.

    Heck, in Original Warcraft, archers were so powerful because you didn't have to micromanage them into attacking things and that freed so much brainpower :-)

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Fri Dec 3 13:21:29 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Dr. What to Arelor on Fri Dec 03 2021 08:25 am

    Lynchş Dune was just an attempt that fell short, in comparison.

    It fell short because there was no way to do the story in a 2 hour movie.

    I remember reading about the movie being made and it should have been 6 hours long - and even then, it wouldn't get most of the story.

    I agree with your "falling short" assessment. You can't tell a 12 hour story in 2 hours. It just won't work.


    imagine if someone did lord of the rings in one 2 hour 16 min movie. they couldnt. dune 1984 did a damn good job despite all the problems.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Fri Dec 3 11:50:55 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to The Lizard Master on Fri Dec 03 2021 01:07 pm

    I hope at least the controls were better. The original versionĘ main
    issue was having to select and command the units one by one. A lot like the original Warcraft.

    Heck, in Original Warcraft, archers were so powerful because you didn't have to micromanage them into attacking things and that freed so much brainpower :-)

    I played Warcraft & Warcraft 2 more than the Dune and Command & Conquer games. Having to control each character one by one was a bit frustrating. In Warcraft 2, I don't remember if you could select multiple characters and have them all attack, but I remember when I wanted a bunch of them to walk across the map, I'd have to select each one by one and have them follow the next one, and then have the first one go where I wanted them to go.

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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Arelor on Fri Dec 3 15:24:31 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to The Lizard Master on Fri Dec 03 2021 01:07 pm

    I have heard the 2000 version had some balance changes but I never looked to deep into that.

    I hope at least the controls were better. The original versionş main issue was having to select and command the units one by one. A lot like the original Warcraft.

    In the 2000 version you could hit control-a and select all units on your screen. You could also do set units control-1, 2, 3, etc. Much more like starcraft.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Sat Dec 4 07:05:14 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Fri Dec 03 2021 11:50 am

    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to The Lizard Master on Fri Dec 03 2021 01:07 pm

    I hope at least the controls were better. The original versionĘ main issue was having to select and command the units one by one. A lot like the
    original Warcraft.

    Heck, in Original Warcraft, archers were so powerful because you didn't have t
    micromanage them into attacking things and that freed so much brainpower :-)

    I played Warcraft & Warcraft 2 more than the Dune and Command & Conquer games. Hav
    to control each character one by one was a bit frustrating. In Warcraft 2, I don't
    remember if you could select multiple characters and have them all attack, but I
    remember when I wanted a bunch of them to walk across the map, I'd have to select e
    one by one and have them follow the next one, and then have the first one go where
    wanted them to go.

    Nightfox


    Warcraft 2 was groundbreaking because you could select units in groups of 9, and give
    them orders in bunch. You could select your 9 archers and tell them to move to certain
    part of the map at once, instead of giving the command 9 times.

    Which, in a game in which you were not actually managing big numbers of units most of
    the time, was quite sufficient. At least it felt sufficient when I was a kid.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dr. What on Fri Dec 24 22:06:00 2021
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    "Horrible" is too strong a word, in my opinion. I personally reserve "Horrible" for those movies that were so bad that they kicked them out
    of hell. Among those, I count Night Train to Venice, The Beast of Yucca Flats and Blueberry.

    Lynchş Dune was just an attempt that fell short, in comparison.

    It fell short because there was no way to do the story in a 2 hour
    movie.

    I remember reading about the movie being made and it should have been 6 hours long - and even then, it wouldn't get most of the story.

    I agree with your "falling short" assessment. You can't tell a 12 hour story in 2 hours. It just won't work.


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    I quite like the Lynch version, it certainly left an impression on me when I first saw it. I would have been about 7 years old at the time. I'm into weird and wacky movies, the odd visuals, the over-the-top crazyness, I find that appealing not a turn off.

    The new movie I have seen, and is quite good. Flawed though because of the dense nature of the source material, the difficultly in condensing such a sweeping, multifaceted saga into a moview. The ending I think would turn off many who haven't read the book, appearing to be abrupt and unsatisfying. Still, this new Dune movie created a sense of grand scale which the original didn't do, the size of Arrakis, the Heighliners. It needed more Piter though, such a great character.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Fri Dec 24 22:10:00 2021
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    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on
    Thu Dec 02 2021 09:08 am

    I loved the Harkonen ending in which you walk into the Emperor's palace and shoot him in the face :-)

    I never did play Dune 2 through to the end.

    Nightfox


    How much did you actually play?

    I think things got interesting when you got access to starports. You
    could order units in bulk as they became available. This means you
    could order 4 air units all of a sudden in a crucial moment, or rocket launchers, or some other strategic unit. It was very intense for such
    an old game.

    I also liked the Harkonen ultimate weapon: The Nuclear Weapon of
    Ultimate Destruction that Obliterates the Good Guys Left and RIght!
    (also known as The Hand of Death).

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    The soundtrack to that game was awesome. Multiplayer functionality would have been fantastic. I remember discussing how sorely this game needed multiplayer like Warcraft back in the mid 90's. I also think dune 2 had more strategy to it than later real time strategy games. Just swarming the base with enemies wouldn't work, you had to use each units in a specific way to win. In later games, you could just flood the base and win by sheer numbers alone.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Boraxman on Sat Dec 25 06:36:13 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Fri Dec 24 2021 10:10 pm

    I loved the Harkonen ending in which you walk into the Emperor's pal and shoot him in the face :-)


    The soundtrack to that game was awesome. Multiplayer functionality would ha been fantastic. I remember discussing how sorely this game needed multiplay like Warcraft back in the mid 90's. I also think dune 2 had more strategy t it than later real time strategy games. Just swarming the base with enemies wouldn't work, you had to use each units in a specific way to win. In later games, you could just flood the base and win by sheer numbers alone.


    There are modern FOSS engines which use the original assets of the game, and I think some support multiplayer.

    The problem with so many RTS titles is that they turn into matches about who can click faster when they become human vs human. Even Command and Conquer pretty much turned into pumping up light/middle tanks, and the one who rushed with them the quikests won :)

    When I want to exercise my thinking, I prefer turn based strategy games. When I want to exercise my reflexes, I prefer shooters or platformers. RTS fall in a weird spot where they have a bit of thinking (you have to build your rush engine, so you end up learning some opening "moves") and then a lot of clicking and micromanaging.

    What I like from RTS is the single player campaigns, because they feel like puzzles to be solved. Most early RTS gave you a lame base and pitted you against an enemy with heavy defenses, and the challenge was to find out a way to crack those defenses.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Sun Dec 26 21:22:00 2021
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    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on
    Fri Dec 24 2021 10:10 pm

    I loved the Harkonen ending in which you walk into the Emperor's pal and shoot him in the face :-)


    The soundtrack to that game was awesome. Multiplayer functionality would ha been fantastic. I remember discussing how sorely this game needed multiplay like Warcraft back in the mid 90's. I also think dune 2 had more strategy t it than later real time strategy games. Just swarming the base with enemies wouldn't work, you had to use each units in a specific way to win. In later games, you could just flood the base and win by sheer numbers alone.


    There are modern FOSS engines which use the original assets of the
    game, and I think some support multiplayer.

    The problem with so many RTS titles is that they turn into matches
    about who can click faster when they become human vs human. Even
    Command and Conquer pretty much turned into pumping up light/middle
    tanks, and the one who rushed with them the quikests won :)

    When I want to exercise my thinking, I prefer turn based strategy
    games. When I want to exercise my reflexes, I prefer shooters or platformers. RTS fall in a weird spot where they have a bit of thinking (you have to build your rush engine, so you end up learning some
    opening "moves") and then a lot of clicking and micromanaging.

    What I like from RTS is the single player campaigns, because they feel like puzzles to be solved. Most early RTS gave you a lame base and
    pitted you against an enemy with heavy defenses, and the challenge was
    to find out a way to crack those defenses.

    Dune 2 was really the last RTS I got into. I did play Warcraft a little, and Dune 2000 and Red Alert, but I think apart from Warcraft, I didn't finish the others. Rise of Nations I have too, and that is OK, but I only play skirmish time to time. I think this was for the reason you mentioned that the games quickly turned into who could scramble the fastest, rather than strategy. I was always on the lookout for a RTS type game, which was on a larger scale but was more on grand military strategy than swarming, but never found one.


    Should probably look into a good turn based game.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Boraxman on Sun Dec 26 13:47:20 2021
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Sun Dec 26 2021 09:22 pm

    Dune 2 was really the last RTS I got into. I did play Warcraft a little, an Dune 2000 and Red Alert, but I think apart from Warcraft, I didn't finish th others. Rise of Nations I have too, and that is OK, but I only play skirmis time to time. I think this was for the reason you mentioned that the games quickly turned into who could scramble the fastest, rather than strategy. I was always on the lookout for a RTS type game, which was on a larger scale b was more on grand military strategy than swarming, but never found one.


    Should probably look into a good turn based game.


    The Warcraft ones were fine, even if the first one had an interface which left a lot to be desired.

    It is funny that Dune 2 is the last one you got into, since it is the first RTS game that is recognizeable as such :-)

    Out of boardgames and tabletop wargames I do not know many turn based strategy videogames. I think the only one I d be confident recommending is Battle for Wesnoth.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Wed Dec 29 15:24:00 2021
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    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on
    Sun Dec 26 2021 09:22 pm

    Dune 2 was really the last RTS I got into. I did play Warcraft a little, an Dune 2000 and Red Alert, but I think apart from Warcraft, I didn't finish th others. Rise of Nations I have too, and that is OK, but I only play skirmis time to time. I think this was for the reason you mentioned that the games quickly turned into who could scramble the fastest, rather than strategy. I was always on the lookout for a RTS type game, which was on a larger scale b was more on grand military strategy than swarming, but never found one.


    Should probably look into a good turn based game.


    The Warcraft ones were fine, even if the first one had an interface
    which left a lot to be desired.

    It is funny that Dune 2 is the last one you got into, since it is the first RTS game that is recognizeable as such :-)

    Out of boardgames and tabletop wargames I do not know many turn based strategy videogames. I think the only one I d be confident recommending
    is Battle for Wesnoth.

    I did try Rise of Nations, it is fun, but I think RTS games are too 'pointy clicky' for me and lack larger scale strategies.

    I might look at Battle of Wesnoth, seen it come up in my Linux repository over and over again.

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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Arelor on Fri Jan 7 11:51:09 2022
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Sat Dec 25 2021 06:36 am

    The problem with so many RTS titles is that they turn into matches about who can click faster when they become human vs human. Even Command and Conquer pretty much turned into pumping up light/middle tanks, and the one who rushed with them the quikests won :)

    Check out uniwar for mobile.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to The Lizard Master on Fri Jan 7 12:51:22 2022
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: The Lizard Master to Arelor on Fri Jan 07 2022 11:51 am

    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Sat Dec 25 2021 06:36 am

    The problem with so many RTS titles is that they turn into matches about can click faster when they become human vs human. Even Command and Conque pretty much turned into pumping up light/middle tanks, and the one who rushed with them the quikests won :)

    Check out uniwar for mobile.

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    I don't do mobile games, but I looked it up and the game may be salvageable :-) It cheats by not being Real Time, though.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Fri Jan 7 20:58:22 2022
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to The Lizard Master on Fri Jan 07 2022 12:51 pm


    I don't do mobile games, but I looked it up and the game may be salvageable :-) It cheats by not being Real Time, though.


    seth robinson aka lord creator makes mobile games. you should check them out if you are able. you can play them on a computer with an emulator.

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