• Labor Abuses Need to End

    From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to All on Sun Aug 1 12:52:00 2021
    Labor Abuses Need to End with Changes to Law

    I have had a weird experience with my former employer who flouted so many labor law
    regulations during my tenure before I was laid off in her process to relocate to Texas
    where the land is affordable, and the labor regulations are paper thin.

    One of the issues is dealing with the policy where you need to clock out to get a drink of
    water or use the restroom from my former employer. This issue was one that was not
    part of my state complaint because I did not see any regulations in state law, but I
    realized that there was relevance in federal regulations in the Fair Labor Standards Act
    where it applied that breaks under 20 minutes are paid.

    There is a case that was dealt with in 2017 called Acosta versus American Future
    Systems which had a similar situation where they allowed for unpaid flex time for
    employees to use the restroom, get a drink of water or have a smoke. If an employee is
    abusing the regulations of the FLSA where restroom breaks that should take three
    minutes end up being sixteen minutes or the water breaks are too frequent, then an
    employer should discipline or terminate the employee instead of denying the lost time
    that the employee is clocking out for. The case made it where policies American Future
    Systems used were illegal contrary to FLSA rules.

    The tragedy was that our Supreme Court of the United States denied the request to hear
    this case nationwide in May of 2018, but they let the decision stand for the local circuit.
    I appreciate employers who allow for reasonable restroom breaks once or twice a day
    separate from the paid breaks California requires, but not all employers are sensible
    creatures. This leads to the case of the need for regulation.

    I am thinking that the Federal Department of Labor blew me off because I am not a
    resident of the states that are part of the third judicial circuit where the decision is moot
    where I live. However, I do not have the money to bring a case all the way to the ninth
    circuit. So, I am looking for one of our Democratic Party members of congress in
    California to carry a bill to codify the decision from the third circuit nationwide.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to MATTHEW MUNSON on Tue Aug 3 11:04:58 2021
    Re: Labor Abuses Need to End
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on Sun Aug 01 2021 12:52 pm

    get a drink of
    water or use the restroom from my former employer. This issue was one that was not
    part of my state complaint because I did not see any regulations in state law, but I

    i wouldnt even do that shit. i wouldnt even work for a person like that.
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  • From plt@VERT/SBBSVA to MATTHEW MUNSON on Thu Aug 26 23:48:55 2021
    Labor Abuses Need to End with Changes to Law

    I have had a weird experience with my former employer who flouted so many labor law
    regulations during my tenure before I was laid off in her process to relocate to Texas
    where the land is affordable, and the labor regulations are paper thin.

    GOP is to blame for removing some of the regulations that is here to protect us like global warming. Its not the same as it was back in the 70;s and 80's. I warned people, but some did not listen to me. So now some will pay for their mistakes. .

    One of the issues is dealing with the policy where you need to clock out to get a drink of
    water or use the restroom from my former employer. This issue was one that was not
    part of my state complaint because I did not see any regulations in state law, but I
    realized that there was relevance in federal regulations in the Fair Labor Standards Act
    where it applied that breaks under 20 minutes are paid.

    I think that is a little bit to harsh.

    There is a case that was dealt with in 2017 called Acosta versus American Future
    Systems which had a similar situation where they allowed for unpaid flex time for
    employees to use the restroom, get a drink of water or have a smoke. If an employee is
    abusing the regulations of the FLSA where restroom breaks that should take three
    minutes end up being sixteen minutes or the water breaks are too frequent, then an
    employer should discipline or terminate the employee instead of denying the lost time
    that the employee is clocking out for. The case made it where policies American Future
    Systems used were illegal contrary to FLSA rules.

    We need more regulations to protect the employees and to enforce it by increasing the fines for those who break the laws.

    The tragedy was that our Supreme Court of the United States denied the request to hear
    this case nationwide in May of 2018, but they let the decision stand for the local circuit.
    I appreciate employers who allow for reasonable restroom breaks once or twice a day
    separate from the paid breaks California requires, but not all employers are sensible
    creatures. This leads to the case of the need for regulation.

    The U.S Supreme Court is out of touch and have a mind of their own. I think they should have a limit on how long they can serve. As I said before if our elected officials can do their job they all need to be fired.

    I am thinking that the Federal Department of Labor blew me off because I am not a
    resident of the states that are part of the third judicial circuit where the decision is moot
    where I live. However, I do not have the money to bring a case all the way to the ninth
    circuit. So, I am looking for one of our Democratic Party members of congress in
    California to carry a bill to codify the decision from the third circuit nationwide.

    I feel that the Democratic Party members of congress do a better job then the GOP.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to plt on Fri Aug 27 05:24:53 2021
    Re: Labor Abuses Need to End
    By: plt to MATTHEW MUNSON on Thu Aug 26 2021 11:48 pm

    GOP is to blame for removing some of the regulations that is here to protect us like global warming. Its not the same as it was back in the 70;s and 80's. I warned people, but some did not listen to me. So now some will pay for their mistakes. .

    global warming is part of the planet's cycles.
    we dont even have reliable weather data going back far enough to understand what the planets temp should be.


    since the news started this scare, they have switched between global cooling and global warming.
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  • From Brian Rogers@VERT/CARNAGE to plt on Fri Aug 27 13:29:00 2021
    Hey plt;

    plt wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON <=-

    I feel that the Democratic Party members of congress do a better job
    then the GOP.

    I know a few service men/woman AND a medic that would strongly disagree. <G>

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Fri Aug 27 13:15:01 2021
    Re: Labor Abuses Need to End
    By: MRO to plt on Fri Aug 27 2021 05:24 am

    Not at this rate. warming in the past has risen a few Celsius over millenia.

    Now it's risen a few celsius over the course of a decade.

    we dont even have reliable weather data going back far enough to understand what the planets temp should be.

    Yes, we do. Enough samples and cores from rocks and ice give a great picture of global temperatures over eons.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 27 16:12:45 2021
    Re: Labor Abuses Need to End
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Fri Aug 27 2021 01:15 pm

    we dont even have reliable weather data going back far enough to understand what the planets temp should be.

    Yes, we do. Enough samples and cores from rocks and ice give a great picture of global temperatures over eons.


    nope!

    we cant even dig that fucking deep.
    our most reliable weather data are records from people. (and it's not too reliable)

    you can only tell so much from rocks and surface snow.

    you cant get a chunk of ice and tell how the global temps were.
    you just know how it was right there, and maybe your scientist makes a correct guess about it.

    our scientists are a bunch of clowns.
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  • From plt@VERT/SBBSVA to MRO on Fri Aug 27 22:38:00 2021
    MRO wrote to plt <=-

    Re: Labor Abuses Need to End
    By: plt to MATTHEW MUNSON on Thu Aug 26 2021 11:48 pm

    GOP is to blame for removing some of the regulations that is here to protect us like global warming. Its not the same as it
    was back in the 70;s and 80's. I warned people, but some did not listen to me. So now some will pay for their mistakes. .

    global warming is part of the planet's cycles.
    we dont even have reliable weather data going back far enough to understand what the planets temp should be.

    That is false information that the GOP continue to spread.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Fri Aug 27 21:23:00 2021
    MRO wrote to DaiTengu <=-


    we dont even have reliable weather data going back far enough to understand what the planets temp should be.

    Yes, we do. Enough samples and cores from rocks and ice give a great picture of global temperatures over eons.


    nope!

    we cant even dig that fucking deep.
    our most reliable weather data are records from people. (and it's
    not too reliable)

    you can only tell so much from rocks and surface snow.

    you cant get a chunk of ice and tell how the global temps were.
    you just know how it was right there, and maybe your scientist
    makes a correct guess about it.

    our scientists are a bunch of clowns.

    Seriously, at what grade level of elementary school did you drop out?

    Talk about a clown. Go play in traffic.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to plt on Sat Aug 28 08:22:55 2021
    Re: Labor Abuses Need to End
    By: plt to MRO on Fri Aug 27 2021 10:38 pm

    global warming is part of the planet's cycles.
    we dont even have reliable weather data going back far enough to understand what the planets temp should be.

    That is false information that the GOP continue to spread.


    nope. it's a fact.

    the earth's weather patterns change.
    our weather data only goes back to 137 years ago.
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  • From plt@VERT/SBBSVA to Gamgee on Sun Aug 29 01:21:00 2021
    Gamgee wrote to MRO <=-

    MRO wrote to DaiTengu <=-


    we dont even have reliable weather data going back far enough to understand what the planets temp should be.

    Yes, we do. Enough samples and cores from rocks and ice give a great picture of global temperatures over eons.


    nope!

    we cant even dig that fucking deep.
    our most reliable weather data are records from people. (and it's
    not too reliable)

    They already have ways to measure it and records of the temperation and other events is recorded. The question is how many more people have to die before we say enough of this bs.

    you can only tell so much from rocks and surface snow.

    you cant get a chunk of ice and tell how the global temps were.
    you just know how it was right there, and maybe your scientist
    makes a correct guess about it.

    our scientists are a bunch of clowns.

    Seriously, at what grade level of elementary school did you drop out?

    Talk about a clown. Go play in traffic.

    They are right. The temperatures and weather conditions now is a lot different then it was back in the 70's and 80's. It's here and we have to change before it's to late. Waiting is not a option.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to PLT on Sun Aug 29 10:54:00 2021
    They are right. The temperatures and weather conditions now is a lot different
    then it was back in the 70's and 80's. It's here and we have to change before it's to late. Waiting is not a option.

    Where? A lot of people around here claim that things are different, by
    their recollection, but I don't remember it being cooler during the summer
    back then. It seemed pretty darn hot then, too.

    We also had snow-storms back then, but not every year, just like now.

    I have read how it is different in the Artic and Antartic, which is some
    cause for concern, are there certainly seem to be more fires out in the
    western US, but most people who claim it is "a lot different" are
    talking about wherever they have been living and, for most people, I don't think they are correct.


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  • From plt@VERT/SBBSVA to Dumas Walker on Sun Aug 29 16:31:00 2021
    Dumas Walker wrote to PLT <=-

    They are right. The temperatures and weather conditions now is a lot
    different

    then it was back in the 70's and 80's. It's here and we have to change
    efore
    it's to late. Waiting is not a option.

    Where? A lot of people around here claim that things are different, by their recollection, but I don't remember it being cooler during the
    summer back then. It seemed pretty darn hot then, too.

    I am not using any recollection to take sides here. I was born in the 1960's, I saw the weather conditiions in the 70's and from what it is today. I am telling you it's not right.

    We also had snow-storms back then, but not every year, just like now.

    Sorry, I do not agree. How are you comming up with that?

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to PLT on Mon Aug 30 15:05:00 2021
    We also had snow-storms back then, but not every year, just like now.

    Sorry, I do not agree. How are you comming up with that?

    Because I lived through them, from the big ones in 1977-79 through the last
    one a couple of Winters ago. We have not had them every year in my
    location in my lifetime (50+ years). Some Winters we might actually get 2 or even 3, but there will be other Winters where we get snow but never enough to call it a "storm."

    In the past 12 years, we've had at least 2 summers where the official temperature never hit 90F (once, sometime since 2010) or only did once
    (2009). I don't remember that EVER happening when I was younger. I remember having weeks at a time where it was 90F+ every afternoon.

    So, when someone my age or older claims it is "hotter than it's ever been" simply based on their personal experience, I wonder if they were in a coma
    for several years during the 1980s, 90s, 2000s.


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  • From plt@VERT/SBBSVA to Dumas Walker on Mon Aug 30 17:19:29 2021
    Re: Re: Labor Abuses Need to
    By: Dumas Walker to PLT on Mon Aug 30 2021 15:05:00

    We also had snow-storms back then, but not every year, just like now.

    Sorry, I do not agree. How are you comming up with that?

    Because I lived through them, from the big ones in 1977-79 through the last one a couple of Winters ago. We have not had them every year in my
    location in my lifetime (50+ years). Some Winters we might actually get 2 or even 3, but there will be other Winters where we
    get
    snow but never enough to call it a "storm."

    In the past 12 years, we've had at least 2 summers where the official temperature never hit 90F (once, sometime since 2010) or
    only
    did once
    (2009). I don't remember that EVER happening when I was younger. I remember having weeks at a time where it was 90F+ every
    afternoon.

    So, when someone my age or older claims it is "hotter than it's ever been" simply based on their personal experience, I wonder
    if
    they were in a coma
    for several years during the 1980s, 90s, 2000s.




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