• Second Coming

    From Jonathan Hodges@39:902/531 to All on Thu Apr 2 02:41:51 2020

    旼컴컴컴컴왯컴컴컴컴커旼컴컴컴컴왯컴컴컴컴커 旼컴커 旼컴커旼컴컴컴컴
    郞袴拷 넜 郞袴 납 郞袴拷 납 郞袴 읏 毒 籃毒 郞袴 읏
    突 突쓱 突쓱 틘 읏
    읕컴컴커 읕커 넜 읏 突袴袴拷 郞槁 毒 읏
    旼 旼엿 旼엿 毒 윱
    읕컴켸 넬 읕컴 납 읕컴켸 납 읕컴 넬 읏 毒 粕 읕컴 籃 突袴袴袴袴앝袴袴袴袴槁突袴袴袴袴앝袴袴袴袴槁突袴槁 突袴槁 突袴袴袴袴 旼컴컴컴컴왯컴컴컴컴커 旼컴컴컴컴컴커 旼컴컴커 旼컴커 旼컴커旼컴컴컴커
    郞袴拷 납 郞袴 郞 郞 突 郞 읏 毒 籃 郞袴
    突쓱 틘 읏 突
    넜 읏
    毒 읏 旼컴커
    旼엿 突槁 毒 윱 毒 籃
    읕컴켸 납 읕컴 넬 읏 粕 읏旼 읕왯 읏 毒 읕켸 突袴袴袴袴앝袴袴袴袴槁突袴槁 突袴槁突袴袴槁突袴槁 突袴槁 突袴袴袴槁

    an Amiga C-Net BBS - 150+ door games - Joinlink chats - BBSLink doors

    SciNet - AmigaNet - CommodoreNet - RetroNet - FidoNet - PiNet

    telnet to: scbbs.ddns.net:6400
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to Jonathan Hodges on Thu Apr 2 10:44:14 2020
    Hi Jonathan,

    On 2020-04-02 02:41:51, you wrote to All:

    旼컴컴컴컴왯컴컴컴컴커旼컴컴컴컴왯컴컴컴컴커 旼컴커 旼컴커旼컴컴컴컴
    郞袴拷 넜 郞袴 납 郞袴拷 납 郞袴 읏 毒 籃毒 郞袴
    읏 突 突쓱 突쓱 틘 읏
    읕컴컴커 읕커 넜 읏
    突袴袴拷 郞槁 毒 읏
    旼 旼엿 旼엿 毒 윱
    읕컴켸 넬 읕컴 납 읕컴켸 납 읕컴 넬 읏 毒 粕 읕컴
    籃 突袴袴袴袴앝袴袴袴袴槁突袴袴袴袴앝袴袴袴袴槁突袴槁 突袴槁
    突袴袴袴袴 旼컴컴컴컴왯컴컴컴컴커 旼컴컴컴컴컴커 旼컴컴커 旼컴커 旼컴커旼컴컴컴커 郞袴拷 납 郞袴 郞 郞 突 郞 읏
    毒 籃 郞袴 突쓱 틘
    읏 突 넜
    읏 毒
    읏 旼컴커 旼엿 突槁
    毒 윱 毒 籃 읕컴켸 납 읕컴 넬 읏 粕 읏旼 읕왯
    읏 毒 읕켸 突袴袴袴袴앝袴袴袴袴槁突袴槁
    突袴槁突袴袴槁突袴槁 突袴槁 突袴袴袴槁

    Not readable at all on a text terminal in this editor (golded)...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Jonathan Hodges@39:902/531 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Thu Apr 2 12:51:10 2020
    My apologies. I'll try to make a better BBS ad using only text characters. Thanks for pointing this out.
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to Jonathan Hodges on Thu Apr 2 20:55:37 2020
    Hi Jonathan,

    On 2020-04-02 12:51:10, you wrote to me:

    @MSGID: 39:902/531@amiganet 5e863420
    @PID: CNet PRO 5.21b
    My apologies. I'll try to make a better BBS ad using only text characters. Thanks for pointing this out.

    At least there should be a CHRS: kludge so editors have a decent chance to display it the right way. ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Jonathan Hodges@39:902/531 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Fri Apr 3 07:39:30 2020
    On Thu 2-Apr-2020 8:55p, c9Wilfred Van Velzen@39:150/200.0c7 said to ccJonathWV> Hi Jonathan,
    Hi Jonathan,

    At least there should be a CHRS: kludge so editors have a decent chance to display it the right way. ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

    I do not have any clue to what you speak of. What string is missing?
    --- CNet/5
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to Jonathan Hodges on Fri Apr 3 15:17:28 2020
    Hi Jonathan,

    On 2020-04-03 07:39:30, you wrote to me:

    At least there should be a CHRS: kludge so editors have a decent
    chance to display it the right way. ;)

    I do not have any clue to what you speak of. What string is missing?

    http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-5003.001

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Jonathan Hodges@39:902/531 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Tue Apr 7 01:24:48 2020
    On Fri 3-Apr-2020 3:17p, c9Wilfred Van Velzen@39:150/200.0c7 said to ccJonathWV> Hi Jonathan,
    Hi Jonathan,

    http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-5003.001

    Bye, Wilfred.


    Now I follow. I need to add an identifier to describe what character set is being used. What I didn't see is examples of where the identifier is inserted into the document. I have research ahead then. Is the author of the article, one Peter Krefting, still available at the email address listed in the article?

    Thanks for assisting me with this. I want everyone to be able to view my ads without seeing a jumble of characters. It bothers me too when someone posts a two-page ANSI that is nothing but a jumble on my screen.

    Jonathan Hodges - the Second Coming BBS scbbs.ddns.net:6400 150+ door games RetroNet 80:774/82 FidoNet 1:22/30 C=Net 64:500/12
    PiNet 314:314/240 AmigaNet 39:902/531 SciNet 100:1/105
    --- CNet/5
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to Jonathan Hodges on Tue Apr 7 09:31:42 2020
    Hi Jonathan,

    On 2020-04-07 01:24:48, you wrote to me:

    http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-5003.001

    Now I follow. I need to add an identifier to describe what character
    set is being used. What I didn't see is examples of where the
    identifier is inserted into the document.

    It's on the top of your message, with the other kludges (probably not visible in your reader). It's normally added by your editor, not "by hand".

    I have research ahead then. Is the author of the article, one Peter Krefting, still available at the email address listed in the article?

    I very much doubt that. I don't see him in the pointlist. (You could ask his former fidonet boss: Bjorn Felten)

    So maybe ask you questions in the FTSC_PUBLIC echomail area, or probably even better to start in the CNET_BBS area, if it's possible to add this kludge line on outgoing messages?

    Thanks for assisting me with this. I want everyone to be able to view
    my ads without seeing a jumble of characters. It bothers me too when someone posts a two-page ANSI that is nothing but a jumble on my
    screen.

    Indeed... ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Jonathan Hodges@39:902/531 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Tue Apr 7 09:52:17 2020
    On Tue 7-Apr-2020 9:31a, c9Wilfred Van Velzen@39:150/200.0c7 said to ccJonath

    It's on the top of your message, with the other kludges (probably not visible
    in your reader). It's normally added by your editor, not "by hand".

    ?? Guess I need to figure out what a "kludge" is first.

    So maybe ask you questions in the FTSC_PUBLIC echomail area, or probably even
    better to start in the CNET_BBS area, if it's possible to add this kludge line
    on outgoing messages?

    Helping me out with excellent suggestions. Although man's quest for knowledge would not exist if he was given all the answers, I welcome yours nonetheless. ;-)


    Jonathan Hodges - the Second Coming BBS scbbs.ddns.net:6400 150+ door games RetroNet 80:774/82 FidoNet 1:22/30 C=Net 64:500/12
    PiNet 314:314/240 AmigaNet 39:902/531 SciNet 100:1/105
    --- CNet/5
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to Jonathan Hodges on Tue Apr 7 18:17:53 2020
    Hi Jonathan,

    On 2020-04-07 09:52:17, you wrote to me:

    It's on the top of your message, with the other kludges (probably not
    visible in your reader). It's normally added by your editor, not "by
    hand".

    ?? Guess I need to figure out what a "kludge" is first.

    You must be a real fidonet newbie! ;-)

    I found this paragraph in this document: http://ftsc.org/docs/fsc-0068.001

    Control lines in general:
    ========================
    A control line is a line of text in the message's body (the
    nul-terminated text portion of a message following the binary header;
    see FTS-0001) ended by a carriage return. Some control lines are
    preceded by a ^a (control-a, ASCII character 1) and are sometimes
    referred to as "kludge lines." Kludge lines are normally not shown when displaying a message; the reading software will treat the initial ^a as
    meaning "not (normally) for human consumption."

    Which explains it a bit.

    If you want to know more about FidoNet Technology, http://ftsc.org/ has a lot of documentation! Maybe too much. ;)


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Jonathan Hodges@39:902/531 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Wed Apr 8 02:20:51 2020
    Sorta like a REM statement in BASIC, or ";" in an ARexx script. Just there for
    info, not to be executed? Will an ANSI creator like Tundradraw do this?

    On Tue 7-Apr-2020 6:17p, c9Wilfred Van Velzen@39:150/200.0c7 said to ccJonathWV> You must be a real fidonet newbie! ;-)
    You must be a real fidonet newbie! ;-)

    Never had FidoNet the last time I ran a BBS in the '90's. Only local mutterings. So yeah, guilty as charged.

    Jonathan Hodges - the Second Coming BBS scbbs.ddns.net:6400 150+ door games RetroNet 80:774/82 FidoNet 1:22/30 C=Net 64:500/12
    PiNet 314:314/240 AmigaNet 39:902/531 SciNet 100:1/105
    --- CNet/5
    * Origin: Second Coming :: scbbs.ddns.net:6400 (39:902/531)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to Jonathan Hodges on Wed Apr 8 09:30:49 2020
    Hi Jonathan,

    On 2020-04-08 02:20:51, you wrote to me:

    @MSGID: 39:902/531@amiganet 5e8d8965
    @PID: CNet PRO 5.21b
    Sorta like a REM statement in BASIC, or ";" in an ARexx script. Just there
    for info, not to be executed? Will an ANSI creator like Tundradraw do this?

    No. Some kludge lines contain vital information. I purposely left the 2 on your message in the quotes above.
    For exampel the MSGID is important, and plays a role in dupe detection. The PID is there just for informational purposes, and could be considered a REMark. And the CHRS kludge is more than a remark too. Because it contains information the displaying editor/viewer can use to display the message correctly.

    On Tue 7-Apr-2020 6:17p, c9Wilfred Van Velzen@39:150/200.0c7 said
    to
    ccJonathWV> You must be a real fidonet newbie! ;-)
    You must be a real fidonet newbie! ;-)

    Something seems wrong here...

    Never had FidoNet the last time I ran a BBS in the '90's. Only local mutterings. So yeah, guilty as charged.

    By "fidonet", I meant FTN (Fidonet Technology Networks). But I think that wouldn't change your answer. ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Jonathan Hodges@39:902/531 to All on Tue May 5 14:19:31 2020

    /$$$$$$ /$$
    /$$__ $$ | $$
    | $$ \__/ /$$$$$$ /$$$$$$$ /$$$$$$ /$$$$$$$ /$$$$$$$
    | $$$$$$ /$$__ $$ /$$_____/ /$$__ $$| $$__ $$ /$$__ $$
    \____ $$| $$$$$$$$| $$ | $$ \ $$| $$ \ $$| $$ | $$
    /$$ \ $$| $$_____/| $$ | $$ | $$| $$ | $$| $$ | $$
    | $$$$$$/| $$$$$$$| $$$$$$$| $$$$$$/| $$ | $$| $$$$$$$
    \______/ \_______/ \_______/ \______/ |__/ |__/ \_______/

    scbbs.ddns.net:6400
    /$$$$$$ /$$
    /$$__ $$ |__/
    | $$ \__/ /$$$$$$ /$$$$$$/$$$$ /$$ /$$$$$$$ /$$$$$$
    | $$ /$$__ $$| $$_ $$_ $$| $$| $$__ $$ /$$__ $$
    | $$ | $$ \ $$| $$ \ $$ \ $$| $$| $$ \ $$| $$ \ $$
    | $$ $$| $$ | $$| $$ | $$ | $$| $$| $$ | $$| $$ | $$
    | $$$$$$/| $$$$$$/| $$ | $$ | $$| $$| $$ | $$| $$$$$$$
    \______/ \______/ |__/ |__/ |__/|__/|__/ |__/ \____ $$
    /$$ \ $$
    ArakNet AmigaNet CommodoreNet FidoNet | $$$$$$/
    PiNet RetroNet SciNet ~ 150+ online games \______/
    --- CNet/5
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  • From Jonathan Hodges@39:902/531 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Tue May 5 15:08:55 2020
    Posted a different ad this time. Simple and effective.
    --- CNet/5
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@39:150/200 to Jonathan Hodges on Tue May 5 23:04:37 2020
    Hi Jonathan,

    On 2020-05-05 15:08:55, you wrote to me:

    Posted a different ad this time. Simple and effective.

    Yes, perfectly readable! :)

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Jonathan Hodges@39:902/531 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Wed May 6 13:46:07 2020
    Excellent thanks.

    Jonathan Hodges - Second Coming BBS scbbs.ddns.net:6400 150+ doors RetroNet FidoNet CommodoreNet PiNet AmigaNet SciNet ArakNet
    --- CNet/5
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